Welcome to the new Hillary or Bernie or Trump thread

[PrincessCanopyShop]

Because the Hillary thread had surpassed 10,000 posts and it felt like maybe we should move this thread to a team mode so that we can guarantee that we wont wake up one morning and find it has been removed, you are all invited to join this team. Were the thread in the general forum to be removed we would not have any idea who the hundreds of posters or lurkers were in the thread because once removed there may not be a record of our friends ( which many of us are ) So here we are . For as long as the thread lasts in the forums you can post on both but be careful because the rules that can result in muting are not always clear and teams do not have the same restrictions as general forum posts. I hope to see you all here and at the very least make a note on your PC for the address as to where to find your old friends,, It is the "Differing Political Opinions "team established in 2011.
Dee

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

Hi to all. I'm female, married, white, 60, have two grown children at home.
I have voted for Jimmy Carter, Ross Perot, GW, and Bill Clinton.
I lean conservative, own guns, don't go to church, and live in the South.

I don't like Trump, but can't stand Hillary. Bernie is interesting, but the dem race is already decided and was as soon as Hillary entered.

I am permamuted from the forums for stating opinions. Same thing may happen here.

On with the show!

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

Hmmm, only left wing thoughts allowed? So differing political opinions means--only liberal thoughts will be considered. OK.

Hillary is a liar. Trump is a liar. All politicians are liars. Obamacare screwed up the minimum wage job hours. Raising minimum wage will do nothing. Higher taxes hurt everyone. Businesses don't grow without investment. Trump is a business man, Hillary is a politician. Hilary wants free handouts, Trump expects you to work for it. We ignore out natural resources so we can be dependent on other countries and their whims. The US is considered weak and useless. All that 'leading from behind' is actually too scared to do a damn thing. Putin has gained power in the EU. Assad is still torturing people. Iraq was a democracy in infancy during GW term, now it's back to the terrorists. Obama did an apology tour to start his term, thanks a lot. His open hand approach got shoved down his throat.
The only thing respected by other nations is strength. We can be the United States of America or we can be a third world ignored country.

Well, that's it. My opinions for what they're worth.

Happy Mother's Day to all of the world.

[Former_Member]

All thoughts allowed.

All I ask is to be respectful and keep it out of the personal realm.

[Former_Member]

Touching on a singular point. When Reagan raised taxes on the rich, the country benefited...

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2011/10/07/7-Top-Republicans-Who-Taxed-the-Super-Rich

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

That was only after he had slashed the top rate:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/reagan_years_taxes/

As a result of the 1981 and 1986 bills, the top income tax rate was slashed from 70% to 28%.

After Reagan's first year in office, the annual deficit was 2.6% of gross domestic product. But it hit a high of 6% in 1983, stayed in the 5% range for the next three years, and fell to 3.1% by 1988. (By comparison, this year it's projected to be 9% but is expected to drop considerably thereafter.)

In 1983, for example, he signed off on Social Security reform legislation that, among other things, accelerated an increase in the payroll tax rate, required that higher-income beneficiaries pay income tax on part of their benefits, and required the self-employed to pay the full payroll tax rate, rather than just the portion normally paid by employees.

The tax reform of 1986, meanwhile, wasn't designed to increase federal tax revenue. But that didn't mean that no one's taxes went up. Because the reform bill eliminated or reduced many tax breaks and shelters, high-income tax filers who previously paid little ended up with bigger tax bills.

He raised a variety of add on taxes, SS for one. He also cut loopholes where people were forced to pay taxes on more of their money. As with most presidents, what he thought would work and what did was not the same thing. Reagan also increased the Defense budget up to 22%, which I wish we still has today.

FDR imposed a 99% tax for one year, which even he could not sustain for the next.

And thanks for a reply. I thought I had broken a taboo or something.

[CalicoSkiesMosaics]

"Hillary is a liar. Trump is a liar. All politicians are liars. Obamacare screwed up the minimum wage job hours. Raising minimum wage will do nothing. Higher taxes hurt everyone. Businesses don't grow without investment. Trump is a business man, Hillary is a politician. Hilary wants free handouts, Trump expects you to work for it. We ignore out natural resources so we can be dependent on other countries and their whims. The US is considered weak and useless. All that 'leading from behind' is actually too scared to do a damn thing. Putin has gained power in the EU. Assad is still torturing people. Iraq was a democracy in infancy during GW term, now it's back to the terrorists. Obama did an apology tour to start his term, thanks a lot. His open hand approach got shoved down his throat.
The only thing respected by other nations is strength. We can be the United States of America or we can be a third world ignored country.

Well, that's it. My opinions for what they're worth."

I couldn't have said it better myself. It's interesting how history speaks for itself.

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

Hi Fred!!!!

Careful, you could get into trouble agreeing with me!!! LOL

[PrincessCanopyShop]

Hello Fairly, Thanks for joining I am so glad that there is a place for permuted voices here on Crazy's team . I am a Bernie supporter and it looks like Clinton will be the nominee. But as much as I distrust Hillary , I think putting the country at the whims of a man who has no concept of the total destruction that can happen when even ONE country releases a nuke would be a disaster of proportions we cannot imagine. One country launches and them who else will and how many and will mankind survive it? I am hoping that Trump's ignorance of consequences will become apparent in the debates.

[PrincessCanopyShop]

On a side bar.. Crazy and anyone else who cares to reply, I have a question.
It is not political it is shop oriented,. After 8 years in biz here I recieved my first 1 star. It was a real surprise. A buyer had a bed crown in transit and I contacted her to say "Your order is on your local fedex truck and being delivered today . 4 days later she said she had not received it. So I immediately contacted FedEx , filed a claim and had a trace run. The only thing I asked her to do was to give fedex her number so they could have it to contact her if it was left somewhere else. I then followed up with phone calls to be sure they were in contact with her. They contacted me and told me she had her package it was on her porch after all. case solved. That was over a month ago and today she gave me a 1 star and said I did nothing to assist her. Other than driving 1500 miles , picking it up off the porch and handing it to her what did she expect me to do? Does this not seem like it is one of those fb's that a seller should be able to prove with my own messages and fedex' notes to have the FB removed?

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

Hi Dee. I think every president considers using them, why else do they have the codes stored in a briefcase with the pres every where he goes?
Trump just said out loud what everyone is thinking.

''''''''''the presidential candidate said if the US wasn’t willing to use its nuclear weapons, “why are we making them?”

Mr Trump did say he “would be the last one to use the nuclear weapons” and added his now-familiar line that he was “against Iraq” – which is not strictly the case.

“I would be very, very slow to pull that trigger,” Mr Trump said. “[But] if someone hits us with a nuke, you wouldn’t fight back with a nuke?”''''''''

He never said he would be the first one- he would consider one after an attack. You would think after Nagasaki and Hiroshima that NO ONE would even consider it, but terrorists will because---well-- it causes terror. In a perfect world, we would not need weapons of any kind, but it's not a perfect world.

I still prefer him over Hillary but he was about my 6th choice as a candidate.

As for the one star review, you can have Etsy remove it if you can show them all the steps you took to find the package. Sounds like someone is too lazy to look.

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

Before that statement, he said--

: “Look, nuclear should be off the table, but would there be a time that it could be used? Possibly.”

[CalicoSkiesMosaics]

Thanks for the welcome Dee.

[CalicoSkiesMosaics]

Hey Mary!

Trump isn't my first choice either but Hillary is definitely my last choice. Trump has been widely misquoted. Mainstream media sound bytes.

I'll talk to you later.

[Former_Member]

Fred, both sides will take quotes and use them to their benefit.

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

That is true Crazy, but Trump get hits from all aides, Hillary gets a pass from most. The media is mostly liberal, so it only makes sense that the rep candidate---a wild bombastic loudmouth that even the top reps don't want---will get blasted.

All I can say about this election is it has to be the weirdest one in history. I do feel sorry for the dems. You didn't even get a chance at anyone other than Hillary. Once she decided it was 'her' time, she had the nomination fixed. I am glad Bernie is making her work for it.

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

This is why I don't want Hillary--Obama 3.0

http://nypost.com/2016/05/05/playing-the-press-and-the-public-for-chumps-to-sell-the-iran-deal/


Congratulations, liberals of the Washington press corps and elite organizations: You’re a bunch of suckers. We all know this because the Obama White House just told us so.

In an astounding New York Times piece by David Samuels, senior White House officials gleefully confess they use friendly reporters and nonprofits as public relations tools in the selling of President Obama’s foreign policy — and can do it almost at will because these tools are ignorant, will believe what they’re told, will essentially take dictation and are happy to be used just to get the information necessary for a tweet or two.

Their greatest triumph, according to Samuels, was selling a misleading narrative about the nuclear deal with Iran — the parameters of which were set a year before the administration claimed and which had nothing to do with the fact that a supposedly more accommodating government had risen to power.

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

For an even more chilling read, read the source article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/magazine/the-aspiring-novelist-who-became-obamas-foreign-policy-gu...

[FAIRLYGHOULISH]

I need to rethink my criticism of Obama. He is just a puppet for Rhodes, and also he is a complete pacifist.

Un---------believable.

[Former_Member]

Trump gets hit so hard because he demands so much attention, brags about how much attention he gets and then when his own words are played back to him, he screams bias.

[PrincessCanopyShop]

I believe we will see a very unstable man have a very big meltdown temper tantrum when he has to debate Clinton. You can only use schoolyard bully tactics for so long before you are forced to man up and make your case based on your own solutions and not on your attempts to humiliate others.

[WallFlowerCandleCo]

Well they finally shut us down in the forums.

[GemsAndKnots]

OMG I just saw where the big thread was shut down! I missed the "offending" posts. Thank you, Dee!

[ChatsworthLady]

I just saw that too! I am gobsmacked. The last post I saw that was removed was one about Europe.... and the one before that was several pages back when a poster used the s-word. But other than that I didn't see anything that was so awful.

Dee, thanks so much for having the forethought to create a backup copy here. :-)

[ChatsworthLady]

Okay, so now that I've picked my jaw up off the floor over the thread closure, LOL

Trump has been making more and more noises about not wanting to establish any sort of detente with Paul Ryan, especially his comment that "This is the Republican Party, not the Conservative Party". If that remains his stance, do you think the outcome actually will be the splintering of the GOP into the Populist Republican Party and the Conservative Party -- literally two separate parties running their own tickets (if not this year, then going forward)?

Because I honestly cannot envision conservatives like Paul Ryan being able to associate themselves with what looks to be the Trump platform.