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I think your items are great Anja! and i can appreciate the work you put into them. Thanks for joining! (all your shops!) :-)

Saying that, this group is certainly not here to judge other sellers and or artist other than to compliment them :-)

I use some non natural things in my jewelry and i of course label them as such. But then this group team is not here to judge, police or correct the members. Just to have some fun and hopefull increase our sales and knowledge.

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Nevada Druzy Drusy Quartz

Druzy or Drusy got its name fron the fuzzy optical effect you get while looking at the overall piece or stone The name was created when the Ariziona Druzy Blue Chryscolla was found. Sometimes this looks velvet almost but the crystal sizes get larger and the overall optical effect changes. My druzy has mostly medium sized crystals. Solid and strong they do not flake off and all are on a solid natural base of Jasper agate. Extremely durable and strong. I can honestly say the Nevada Druzy is the absolute best Druzy in the world except perhaps some of the Arizona Chrysocolla Druzy of old. The Fake drusy that 99% of the internet listed item are...on the other hand is unstable and just a matter of time or circumstances until it reverts back to its original status and original white color --of junk.

I have discovered a location in Nevada that has a rare (and many colors!) deposit of Druzy Quartz. It has every basic color of the color chart including a few shades of blue and red. I have a sampling of this material for sale and listed at my ebay store. The Deposit is very small and found in the Muddy Mountains area of Southern Nevada I of course will keep the exact location secret for many reasons., one is to keep the place unspoiled and of course to protect my exclusive offerings of this Rare new find -100% Natural Drusy Stones. I have been in this Buisness for a long time and I have yet to see anything like the Nevada Drusy Quartz I offer. This is basically a new find. I have the material to cut about 3-5000 top quality stones so this is not an small insignificent find. Colors range but most are greens or violets, golds, browns, greys, whites with other colors being rare from this site.

So what is the Drusy being sold by all the Major Jewelry Outlets on the Internet? FAKE FAKE FAKE. 99.99% of the material on the internet is simply put "not real"- An outright Fraud being sold by well known major jewelry internet outlets.. it should be a crime. The real joke is they offer it as genuine and natural. a total lie. Some is real Quartz most is Lab created. Almost all is dyed with a simple solution of agate dye available at any lapidary shop. Simple white "clear" druzy (extremely common- not to be confused with snowy white drusy i offer) is thrown in vat of dye and presto a magical stone ... until you wear the fake useless junk for a few months then it reverts back to what it was junk. Some also is doublets - top half is white cheap drusy and bottom half is a layer of color glued to the top half. DYED Quartz can be spotted easily to the trained eye.

The colors are obviously the first give away- almost all dyed quartz are unreal phony colors not seen in nature like day glow pink. real druzy comes with calcite deposits between the crystals. it is a lot of work to get these deposits out (as I DO and know) with a solution to remove them.. in some cases it takes weeks to get crystals looking their best (oxalic acid bleaching compounds is used on all quartz crystals within the US to clean them- (same as oxyclean :) -these chemicals are easy to buy and non toxic to the enviroment and you -this is necessary and only enhanses them back to their natural state) The cheap chinese junk on the market is not even cleaned before they dyed - so - the calcite absorbes the dyes leaving ugly dark areas between the crystals.. these can be seen in pictures if you look closely. NON Quartz Druzy is almost always too soft to wear in jewelry with some being so soft to fall apart if you scratch with your fingernail. Also note -the green garnet rough druzy is Lab created, regardless of the claims otherwise.

I really doubt the public knows that real Druzy is even available. Always insist on " Genuine real Quartz" natural color Drusy Druzy. Obviously it costs more than the fake junk Drusy being offered on the internet because it is very rare. The titanium being offered is ALL lab created. and other stones are very soft and not suitable for jewelry wear.

The Druzy I am selling has 100% REAL Color and is real quartz, not dyed, not glued ... all real. and as far as i know almost unique in the fact that it rarely occurs and is even more rarely offered in any quanity for sale. Perhaps a single piece occasionally is offered for sale. A real bargain if you know how to tell the difference between real and fake Druzy. If you work with druzy or own a real piece the fake is oh so easy to spot, even in photos. I personally have cut enough of these stones to call myself an expert. I doubt any others have cut anywhere near the quanity I have of real druzy because it just does not exist in quanities normally. I do have 5 years worth of rough cutting material set aside for future cutting so keep this site bookmarked if you are a Druzy lover. My material is so easy to spot on the internet because it is real and nothing looks like real druzy except real druzy. :-)

Colored Druzy if Natural is extremely RARE. I find the stones in the mountains of Nevada, then the task of hiking in and out in of desert Photo Views Of Nevada Desert . I try to make the rough druzy drusy pieces small enough to carry home :-) and to fit in my back pack. Druzy Quartz only forms in certain conditions. it takes time and an open pocket giving the crystals room to grow I would imagine at least a million years -- often you have to smack a suspect rock with a hammer to crack open the treasures. not for the weak as this is certainly a task in most instances. Color in Drusy comes in two different ways and this is why Drusy is so rare if it is real. It is either actually colored crystals or the crystals are clear and the backing rock is colored. 95% of the drusy found in my deposit is naturally solid colored small crystals. I find these colors -> Greens, reds (rare), violets, golds, pinks, bluish, browns, snowy whites, greys plus many others and rarely a mix of two colors in one stone.

I have a diamond Saw and a Diamond Genie Cutting Machine and I simply reduce the size of the stones until i can offer them as Natural Druzy jewelry stones. grinding only the backs and sides and then polishing the same. very easy to cut as nature has created the perfect stone.. the job is to simply present it nothing else is needed.

Druzy is very dificult for me and others to photograph so please keep this in mind if looking at my photos :-). The problem being you have to use the macro mode on the camera and of course the camera will focus on one part of the stone but the other parts will be out focus.

I hope this artice helped to understand what Druzy is. I hope to do more in the future on Druzy as I find the stone material to be very interesting

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I'm really not promoting the above druzy but more as a way to show what real natural Druzy Looks like. :-) the above 5 stones are not treated in any way and are as they came from the Nevada desert ground with a little cutting on my diamond genie to shape the edges and backs.
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Anyone that is set up to tumble agate Jasper ?
I can trade material for labor or pay you.
The material is green, gold, purples Nevada Jasper. Top nice material not ever offered before.
Please contact me if interested.
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WOW....Your druzy is spectacular!!! What a wonderful story. I'm loving the "mintaqua" piece. That is my favorite color. I'm also an enamelist, and love doing enamel work to go with gemstones.(indigoflameworks.etsy.com) The natural druzy is so much more interesting and beautiful than the treated stuff. Your post was very informative. Just wonderful. Thanks for inviting me to be part of your team.

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Thanks Kelly, i like the stones a lot too. they come in a lot of colors and range in price from $10 up. I went out today and found a lot of green and gold mixed ones and gold colored ones.. you never know what color is next to find. i'm not much of a footbal fan more a rockhound

here are some personal pics of the Nevada desert here that i took: (noting for sale- just pictures)

jburkhart.com/index2.html



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I've politely approached (convo'd) seller's on etsy who sell re worked pendants that are man-dyed. They often don't like to know the information.

Siding with "the retail bead person I bought this stone from said......" and there lays the issue. If you don't know rock, if you don't cut rock and if you don't dig rock then you should be ever particular about how you label your listing.

Truth and honesty when listing for etsy....be mindful of your descriptions. Its your responsibility to inform your customers that un natural coloring isn't nature.

Tiny little rant for a Monday......
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Crudeco- that makes me sad, if i have something wrong i want to know about it.
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I think your items are great Anja! and i can appreciate the work you put into them. Thanks for joining! (all your shops!) :-)

Saying that, this group is certainly not here to judge other sellers and or artist other than to compliment them :-)

I use some non natural things in my jewelry and i of course label them as such. But then this group team is not here to judge, police or correct the members. Just to have some fun and hopefull increase our sales and knowledge.
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Some jewelry seller's appreciate the heads-up on a miss spelled mineral or agate.
Sometimes I'll offer a re direct on the mineral's location and/or specific labeled name. Most are accepting with information and yet others can get nasty.
Can't name shop names or call-out but many assemblage, re string jewelers are clearly miss-labeling un natural stones and passing them off.

Its a big thorn in my lapidary craw when I see how many folks they've sold to and yet they are not honest in listing.
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What an educational post, Jerry, thanks!
I don't really sell gemstones, or at least that's not the selling point of my stuff, but it's interesting to read about what's what.
I think my very first "aha" was learning about goldstone in the lapidary thread from the old forums.
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Thanks for the invite to join the group- crudeco. Currently working up the most highly carved chunk of fossil wood opal so far. Almost to polish- just started a long v shaped carving of US monster bone(dinosaur). I will look for a group photo site to share.
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Half the reason I joined Etsy was because of my wife. She has had a shop here for 5 years or so, and she would often come to me and ask "I saw this specimen on etsy....is that (what it was labeled) really what it is?" More often than not, the person had badly mislabeled what they were selling. Malachite being sold as Dioptase, Feldspar's being sold as Quartz crystals, Sodalite being sold as Lapis, just to name a few. So, when I 'semi-retired' last year, I put up a shop to show people what 'real' examples of the species were. I have worked my entire career as a mineralogist, and my personal collection is over 4,000 specimens. I can guarantee every specimen I sell as correctly labeled. I refuse to carry any man-made (lab created) specimens, or pieces that have been repaired, dyed, or unnaturally irradiated, so there's no confusion to the customer. Things have been working well, so far :-)
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Speaking of misnamed, unnatural stones. I purchased a 'stone' bead at a show and I didn't think it was natural although the seller assured me they only purchase at Tuscon or travel yearly to China....ahem..... I just had to cut the thing on my trim saw to check it out. Well, it's swirly colors on the outside (both sides and the thickness) but looks nearly clear inside. I will eat a skunk if this thing is natural. I'm just waiting to go to William Holland this summer to have it tested or if anyone has the equipment to test I will send them a piece.
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Those darn Chinese folks are crafty aren't they.
Your description sound s like glass.

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I'm not super knowledgeable about stones, and would be embarassed to find out I was selling a "fake"- but would much rather hear from another seller about it!

All I know about stones is pretty much from looking at them at the bead store and going- ohh... pretty!!!

One thing I bought a bunch of lately was labeled "Etched Fire Agates," but the shop worker didn't know any more information than that. I would love to know more about what they are/how they are made. With the wide variety of colors, I'm assuming they must be dyed? I have a few pairs of earrings made with this in my shop now if anyone wants to take a look and help me out...
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Hi Megan, Welcome to the group. We appreciate you joining.

As far as your stones are concerned.. if you could provide a photo (set or loose) i'm sure one of us could comment? If it is brownish base fire Agate with lots of beautiful firey colors.. it is not generally treated. That said... we would need a quick photo to verify this is indeed fire agate. I have never heard of fire agate being etched? but then i'm not up to date on a lot these stones from the past 10 years. You got my interest up on this..:-)

I will look in your shop and post here? :-)
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http://www.etsy.com/listing/115154448/etched-fire-agate-earrings-in-purple?ga_search_query=agate

well they are very pretty but not what i call fire agate. As i stated on the top this thread, we are not here to correct people but, you asked for advise, so..

perhaps others here could give their advise as to what they really are, maybe agate , maybe glass? they are very nice looking. in my opinion.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/113847046/red-etched-fire-agate-chain-earrings?ga_search_query=agate

http://www.etsy.com/listing/113317171/etched-fire-agate-earrings?ga_search_query=agate
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http://www.etsy.com/listing/119787772/yellow-fire-agate-and-wood-hoop-earrings?

are these the ones Megan? they look like crazy lace agate to me, but I am still learning so likely I'm wrong :-)

aha Jerry beat me to it :-D
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Hi Dozy, great , thats why we are here.. thanks and welcome to this new group. :-)
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Only these last ones look or resemble stone.....to me. The first pair on the other pages with the crack or vein-like pattern....those could be originally agates, but have been dyed that plum color.

A similar trick is using a generic agate with the veining and dying it. Dragonskin Agate is a product label.

http://www.gemologyonline.com/Forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=15131

Here's an example. I've also seen it colored in a orange and blue.
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i was thinking the same mickey, the orange pair looks genuine with some banding. i don't think they are glass but dyed. just my opinion. they need to be tested to prove it i guess. specific gravity ?
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My favorite test is to stick that rock in my mouth or lick it ....giggle. It works for me.
Sort of like how people tested pearls back in the day, by rubbing a pearl against your teeth.

You know, Fire Mountain gems has been very consistent with labeling their beads. They use codes to indicate dye, man-made, glass, enhanced, and heat treated. Which then allows you the seller to correctly label and name your materials when you list.

They offer a catalog but the online site has excellent images.
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