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Making pen making profitable

Making pen making profitable

Making money at a hobby is not a dirty word.

When I started this hobby,I thought I would have a hard time keeping up with the orders on these handcrafted items. 'Twas not to be!

I have been trying to come up with ideas on how to make some profit on these creations of mine. The Woodworks LLC has run in the red since its inception. Of course, there were a lot of supplies to buy and many tools to purchase. Having had a successful business for 54 years ,it bothers me a lot to spend more than I make.

So far I have eliminated my business insurance and reduced the risk to my LLC by dropping all items with a sharp edge from the ETSY site.

Another thing I do is make up all the blanks with spare tubes and maintain a minimum of pen kits in inventory. This is not a problem until November.

Of course,pricing the items correctly is key. After 3 1/2 years in the pen business I have a good idea of the overhead or operating expenses and how to add it to anticipated sales. I add my labor and yes, a small profit to each item. Tools break or grow dull and require replacement.

I have had little success at shows,barely breaking even by the time I pay for a table and the entry fees. And at the last show I did, I had a pen stolen while I was elsewhere so, no more shows for me.



Until we turn a profit we will continue to use the business as a tax right off using a portion of my computer costs,use of garage as a workshop and anything that is ethical to right the balance.

Please don’t treat this as a rant for it is not.

Your ideas are most welcome so please comment on anything in this discussion.
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MikesPenTurningZ
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Hi Bert,

One thing I have found is that if you price your pens too cheaply they will be thought of as cheap. I am not sure how to even figure out if I am profitable or not but I think I am. I have sold well over 200 pens in 2 years on Etsy. I think the big thing is to set yourself apart and that is what I have tried to do with my pens. I usually don't use anything but high end wood, my segmenting also sets me apart but I have not done much of that lately. Look at your prices and make sure you are making pens that can really capture high end clients.
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You have done well and that is good advice.

Thanks,Mike
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Hi Bert- Pricing can be difficult to figure out, and especially on Etsy where there is such a wide range on what appear to be similar pens. Last year I saw a nice increase in business from the year before (~400 pens sold in 2013), and am slated to see another 20% increase on that this year. The key for me has been wholesale.

Figure out what your costs are, what you need to charge to make money on a pen as if it was already sold. That's your wholesale cost. Now double it- You've just discovered "keystone pricing", that extra is what goes towards the marketing of the pen or, if being sold by a retailer for you, to cover their overhead costs.

I hardly get any sales on Etsy except for the occasional one here and there. Etsy is a way for me to get more visibility. Besides Etsy I have my own business website, a facebook fan page, twitter account, instagram account, and pinterest account. People often don't take into consideration the time necessary to market their goods....social media gnomes do not take over anybody's computer in the night (sadly). If you have any questions I can help with please feel free to ask.

As far as shows, I've stopped doing craft fairs but I will be a vendor in the DC Pen show later this year. It's the biggest pen event in the world, I'm pretty excited for it :)
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Thanks,John. Maybe I expected too much of ETSY in the way of sales.
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HopeAndGracePens
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Bert, this has been bothering me too. But when I sat down to do my taxes this year I couldn't believe it but actually made more than I spent. John Greco is right about social media; it's how word of mouth travels today. I definitely agree more with Michael Schmidtt when it comes to pricing and actually get really mad when I see competition seriously underselling me (I've done the math. They're losing money whether they know it or not). Stick to your guns. When I started this, I saw it as a way to offset the cost of my pen making addiction. If it turns a profit, great.
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Great advice,Bryce. I too am addicted.
Yes,underpriced and undervalued items are losing money for everyone.
If it can under right my costs I will be happy
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MikesPenTurningZ
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If you want to know the secret to being profitable look at the listings page. I have been posting pens every day. Exposure is what you want. You want google to find new things on your site every day. It takes work, work, work... Never give up. Find your niche and stick with it.
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True,true. It might be time to increase the sale price of some items also .Thanx,Mike
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MikesPenTurningZ
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Now your talking Bert. Don't be afraid to charge for your products. If you cheapen your products that tells customers that you sell cheap products. Even though you put sweat and work into them. Your pens are beautiful Bert and you deserve to receive the right fruits of your labor.
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I 2nd what Mike said :)
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Thanx,team mates. I think I need to give myself a "Gibbs head slap"
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Joe and I struggled with this topic also. What we have them priced at seems to work for us.

Laurie
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Thanx for all the suggestions by my pen making friends!
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MikesPenTurningZ
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Laurie and Joe you are underpricing your talent. Remember it isn't the sales that are important it is the profit. There are so many variables that it isn't funny when you calculate it. You have to offer a great product that stands out on its own. I am trying to make art by purchasing the best woods that I can get. I just bought a very large piece of tightly curled red wood and it was not a cheap piece of wood at all. I am stabilizing it now. My technique for stabilizing is very involved I have extra steps that most people don't take. I use these steps when I dye wood also so I can get a dyed piece of wood that you cannot otherwise get. I will have some of my redwood glued up tonight I hope and cannot wait to see what it looks like. BTW I don't always end up using some of these expensive pieces of wood either. Sometimes you loose on a purchase and you have to calculate that it also.
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Thank you, Mike. We will revisit the pricing. I can't wait to see the redwood!

Laurie
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Re: Making pen making profitable

Bryce Piper from HopeAndGracePens says

... actually get really mad when I see competition seriously underselling me
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My strategy for dealing with underpriced pens in the market is to ignore it.

They are not my competition. No one seriously looking at pens for $200+ is going to buy a nearly identical pen for $25. And no one looking at $25 pens will buy a $200 pen. It's just an entirely different market.

Don't be afraid to charge what your pens are worth, and don't worry about what anyone else charges.
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