ExtraTouchGifts
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Technical Issue Robs Sellers of Star Seller Status

I received a notification that my conversation response rate dropped to 88%.  I downloaded the spread sheet that lists all the conversations and how quickly I responded.   EVERY conversation was answered within 5 minutes.  Not hours or days...5 MINUTES!!!!  Yet one conversation was marked "not answered in 24 hours".  The conversation pertained to a refund which I provided within 2 hours.   So I contacted Etsy support via online chat.   Shripriva answered and pulled up my record.  She acknowledged that the conversation in question was definitely answered within minutes BUT unfortunately she couldnt do anything about it.  I'm absolutely appauled at the lack of support Etsy fails to provide its sellers.   100% dissapointed in Etsy

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BootifulLabels
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Re: Technical Issue Robs Sellers of Star Seller Status

When a customer sends a help request it automatically appears in your message list as well as on the order page.  You need to answer both messages, unfortunately you didn't.  Adding a note on the refund page does not affect the message in your Etsy Messages Inbox.  You either need to make a quick response to the message itself, just cut and paste the note on the refund page before you send it, and go to your inbox, open the message, paste it into the reply and send.  Etsy won't correct anything, the rules are clear that ALL new messages must be replied to or sent to spam within the 24 hr deadline.  

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ExtraTouchGifts
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I acknowledged her order in the conversation.  I answered her request to cancel in the conversation.  I left a note when i refunded the order.  I think my bases were covered.  Nothing went unanswered.

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putting a message on the order page when you refund, does NOT count as replying to a message thread.

 

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ExtraTouchGifts
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I answered ALL conversations and requests to cancel as well as the refund page.   All within minutes.   Following the rules.

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Etsy give sellers a few options and or prompts -so that WE can manage this.

 All NEW messages (in blue) need to be answered

We can also activate the automated message service 

or send messages to spam 

so that you don't have this happen to you again , take note and or use use which ever works best for you 

 

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ExtraTouchGifts
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All coversations, requests to cancel and refunds were answered in a timely manner. Definitely a technical error

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Easy enough to check.  Go to your Messages page and find the message sent to you.  If you responded, your answer will be there.  If not, then you didn't.

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ExtraTouchGifts
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I did that AND they were all answered within minutes.   The Etsy rep confirmed that I did everything correctly but that she couldnt do anything about the fact that Etsy made a mistake.  THAT IS MY COMPLAINT!!!!   Etsy makes a mistake but they refuse to fix it.

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ExtraTouchGifts
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Maybe I didnt make myself clear....I answered ALL conversations.  I answered ALL requests to cancel.  I  answered the refund submission.   NOTHING WAS ANSWERED LATE.  IN FACT, IT WAS ANSWERED WITHIN MINUTES OF RECEIVING THE MESSAGE.   The Etsy rep acknowledged that they inadvertently marked one conversation late.  The message was received at 11:34 and answered at 11:37.   But Etsy could not fix the mistake they made.  THIS IS MY COMPLAINT.  

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I don't think there is anything the forum can do for you i'm afraid , other than to offer you information on potential tools you can use to manage your messages.

Are you looking for something specific from the forum ? I ask as I do know that Etsy send people here when they cant or wont help with a query.

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ExtraTouchGifts
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This was etsys's solution... to post here.   I'm making a point that Etsy admitted fault yet refuses to fix the issue.

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PrimFun
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@ExtraTouchGifts   Did you send a message only via refund and not the message in messages?  The message in the refund does not count.  You have to answer the message under messages too.

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ExtraTouchGifts
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This is Etsys' solution to my issue... they told me to post here.  I'm making a point. Etsy admitted fault but refuses to fix their mistake.  I responded appropriately to all conversations. Yet i'm being penalized

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BootifulLabels
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I responded appropriately to all conversations. 

But you didn't.  You left a note in the refund window, but you didn't respond in the actual message, nor did you mark that message as spam.

Don't kid yourself that you are being singled out, none of us are that important that Etsy would bother to single us out.  The fact is, there is no living being at work here at all, the whole SS process is automated.  It looks at all first messages you receive and compares the receipt time with the response time.  If they are more than 24hrs apart, then you get a fail for that message.  It is a harsh way to learn a lesson.  Even if you don't consider that a message requires you to respond, the system does.  You need to answer within 24 hrs, even if it is only to say "see my note on the refund page" or "all done, thank you", or you can spam the message and it will no longer count against you.  It is too late for the badges just awarded, but if you go back and mark that message as spam now, it may not count against you next month.

The Help staff are only there to handle simple questions with simple solutions.  Anything complicated like SS and they don't know the answer.  They sometimes sympathise, but they will inevitably refer you here to the forums where other sellers with more hands on experience will help you.  

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I really don't understand why Etsy sends sellers to the forum with complaints. What does Etsy think we sellers can do that Etsy cannot do to help? 

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It's because Etsy doesn't want to waste man power explaining to people how it works more than once.

It is all operated by bots. There is nothing the few employees can do to change the stats, or change your mind that they can't do a thing.

Once they have explained it once, they send you here to vent and get angry at non-employees. That makes US look like the bad guys and we are quite often the targets for abuse and misplaced anger. 

The most we can do is explain it again. Nothing more. 

We are all volunteers that CHOOSE to donate time to the Forum. It costs Etsy nothing. THAT, right there, is why they sent you here.

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NoFrogsAllowed
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That's Etsy's way of kicking the can down the road.  They get tired of dealing with someone (especially when Etsy is wrong) and tell them to go to the forums.  They figure they don't suck as bad as if they say go away we can't or won't help you.

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Very ethical, Etsy. SMH

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Honestly my recommendation is to just drop it. With some of your listings, like Master Chef and the Ohio Buckeyes, you may bring some unwanted attention to your shop. If you get removals for infringement on those items, because I don't see anything about being officially licensed, then you can lose the ability to ever earn the SS again. 

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@ExtraTouchGifts: "She acknowledged that the conversation in question was definitely answered within minutes" If one spends any time on this forum you soon learn that one cannot rely on answers provided, particularly via chat. There are many examples where different people asked about the same issue and were given wildly different and conflicting answers. An individual may have told you something (correct or incorrect) but I doubt that Etsy admitted fault.

 

Can only say this to you, the systems logs the reply date / time at the moment you reply to that first message of a new thread within the actual thread. If you replied in any other way the system will not pick it up. For example, the message in a cancellation form is appended to the default message thread you have with that (buyer) account. It does not append / reply to the Help Request most likely because there could be multiple Help Requests and it might "reply" to the wrong one, and possibly because a Help Request starts the clock ticking on a potential case against the seller.

 

Can only day this about your situation

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