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I have an issue with a customer from another country seeking to return items for a refund, but not pay for the return shipping. i have advised the customer I am happy to provide a full refund after I receive the slightly damaged goods in a reasonable condition. The standard Etsy return policy advises that the customer is to bear the cost of the return shipping. I have been fortunate not to have encountered this before.

There has been no response from Etsy about the case to myself or the customer since it was lodged on the 25/04. I asked customer to escalate case, as they felt it was unfair for them to pay for return shipping. But still no response from Etsy, even though case now displays a message that it was escalated by Etsy for review.

I added comments about the requesting some direction and asked if the transaction would qualify for “Sellers Protection” after the customer requested a mediation on the case. I felt this course of action might result in a prompt settlement of the case. However, three weeks later still no response from Etsy to myself or the customer which I find very frustrating.

Trying to “Contact Support” is a never ending roundabout of being referred to documentation that ultimately doesn’t lead anywhere and just wastes valuable time I could spend trying to improve my business.

My question to the forum in general is does it normally take this long for any response from Etsy in resolution of a case ? What further action can I take apart from commenting on the case for an update ?

In a very tough market where often the main point of difference is Customer Service and word of mouth from customers to the people they know is always the best type of referral I feel I am being let down by Etsy. This customer is now having a bad experience, getting worse every day by being ignored.

Chris

 

 

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The ''standard Etsy return policy'' you quote is meant for when the buyer has a change of mind and wants to return it for a refund.  The buyer pays for return shipping in that situation.

If the buyer received a damaged item and provided proof of the damage, it's the seller who should pay for the return shipping if they want it back.  Additionally, if the item was damaged during shipping, the buyer is due a full refund and the seller then puts in a claim if they had insured the package.

Did the buyer provide proof of damage within the case?

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Etsy will eventually side with your customer, give them a refund, and NOT ask them to return the package. You should NEVER tell customers to file a case on you.

If it was damaged, it doesn't matter how slightly, it is your responsibility to pay for the postage both ways, because the customer did not get an item as it was described. If you want it back, you should print a pre-paid postage label and send her a link to download the label. At least that way, you will get your discounted postage rates, which are probably a lot less than the customer would have to pay to purchase postage, and then you  won't have the hassle of having to reimburse her. You can't refund more than she originally paid, so you would then have to figure out how to reimburse her for the return postage if you don't send her a pre-paid label.

In the future if an item is "slightly damaged" in shipment, try offering them a pretty good discount to keep it and fix it themselves. That will be cheaper for you in the long run. If you think you can fix it and resell it when you get it back, it may be worth paying the return postage. If it's not, I ask for pictures of the damage and let them keep it, as part of my apology.

I would never ship anything to a foreign country without insurance. That way, you will be reimbursed for the damaged item, so you won't be out anything. But in that case, I ask them to keep everything, including the packing materials and box for two weeks, in case the carrier wants to see it in person. Usually, pictures are good enough, but not always. If they return it to you, regardless of who pays, that will void your insurance claim, and they won't reimburse  you.

Good luck getting any help from Etsy. They have the worst customer service for sellers of any marketplace I know of. Usually, they will take up to 10 days to reply,  if they reply at all. Sometimes, they just ignore you.

The first reply or two will probably be a canned response that does not address your problem. They may even say their decision is final, but if you are persistent,  you will eventually get a real person to look at it that may help you. That is if you contact them by email from the form they provide and don't open any other threads. If you start a new email inquiry, they will close the one that is open and treat the new email as a new problem, kicking you to the back of the line to start over again.

Chat can only answer questions that are already in the Seller's Handbook, and they don't have authorization to make any decisions on anything, especially if it involves money. 

Etsy will answer cases once it is escalated, but they will usually find in the buyer's favor, often before you have even had time to tell them your side of it. If they give the customer their money back, they will not make them return the item, so then you are out both your money and your merchandise. It is always best to try to work it out with your customer yourself, if at all possible.

If the item was damaged in any way, it is "Not As Described" and Etsy will always refund the customer for that reason. If the customer is in one of the EU countries or the UK, you have to give them 30 days to ask for a refund for any reason or no reason at all, and you have to refund the original postage plus pay for the return postage if you want it back, or they can keep the merchandise, too.

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From the items I saw in your shop and you describe them as "hand selected" by you, I don't believe most of what is for sale in your shop is allowed to be sold on Etsy. Items you buy to resell are not allowed on Etsy unless they are craft supplies or vintage (20+ years old). 

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@FatallyFeminine How "old" does a crystal need to be?

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@CarpetCollectionAU lol I still don't consider buying a ready made home decor piece from a factory and selling it here to be vintage even if the rock used is old. What about a wooden item? How old was the tree? lol

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The customer only pays for return shipping if they change their mind. 

"slightly damaged goods" you pay for return shipping

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A buyer should not have to pay to return a damaged item.  Depending on the condition of the goods, if you want them back, send the buyer funds by Paypal to cover the cost of shipping the return with tracking, then once you see movement on the tracking number process a full refund.  If you don't feel the cost of getting the goods back is worth it, just refund the buyer in full and tell her to keep the item.  If the damage occurred in transit, lodge a claim with the shipping company for damages, or simply write the loss off on your taxes as slippage.  

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The item is damaged

You need to refund in full,

and if you want it back, you have to pay return shipping.

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This is not a change of main return, it is damaged.

Do the legal thing, refund in full.

and claim from your shipper

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I looked at 4 or 5 of your listings and they all had what Etsy would consider medical claims which could cause a problem. I would refund and change the description so there are no medical or healing claims made.

This stone is considered to help with soothing the heart and calming the spirit. It offers a sense of peace in a time of turmoil.

It will alleviate fatigue, enhance clarity and give workers a determined focus.

 I read the descriptions and found them fascinating and information I never knew I would be interested in. They are well written until it came to the areas like I posted above. 

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What about if the buyer buys earrings for her birthday  and then flattens the earrings posts completely claiming they arrived like so and wants a refund AFTER courier claim period has expired?

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Etsy lies, as soon as my buyer was refunded she paid USPS to return the package to her. So you get screwed by Etsy as a seller every time and they don't care.

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