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Tips for finding XRF testing companies

I've received a few questions regarding finding companies with XRF guns...so I thought I'd share my experiences:

1. try home/environmental inspectors (not necessarily labs) that look for lead in homes. They tend to have XRF guns since they are portable.

2. Call State or Fed EPA offices. They will be able to refer you to local labs that may own an XRF gun.

3. Band together with other companies (manufacturing and retail) to test. It will help to keep the costs down. Meet at one location and test all at the same time.

4. Rental companies: the ones that I've seen run about $400 per day with $200 shipping costs and $30,000 insurance. If you are grouping together to test this might not be a bad idea. It will keep the costs down.

5. Jennifer Taggert, thesmartmama.com, has an XRF gun and is testing for small companies. I think she charges $5 per component or $100 per hour. She's in LA so you'll have to ship your things there...she'll send them back if you pay for shipping.

In Denver we had a home inspection company come to a single location and tested about 30 companies at one time. Some were manufacturers, some were retailers.

I hope this helps!

Others who have tested please add your search/testing experiences
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Re: Tips for finding XRF testing companies

My blog today is about XRF gun rentals:

http://buggalove.blogspot.com

Soon, I will be posting about my testing experience.
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OK - this might be a really dumb question. In the hardware store, I have seen lead test strips for household use - are those OK to use?? It seams like it might be cheaper than the gun.
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Re: Tips for finding XRF testing companies

thanks for this info.
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Re: Tips for finding XRF testing companies

What does the XRF gun do? Test just for lead, or does it cover phthatlates too?
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XRF gun only tests for lead, not phthalates.

Household lead testing isn't reliable and not acceptable by CPSC for testing.
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Oh, good to know. So they would only accept the XRF gun as reliable? Any other option you know of?
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Anyone have any info on phthalates testing?
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Marking, thank you :)
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thank you!
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Re: Tips for finding XRF testing companies

XRF technology is currently being thought of as a reasonable testing process but ONLY until August. After August 3rd party lab digestive testing is required.

In terms of phthalates, it looks to me like a lab test is required.

From www.caslab.com:

Phthalates are esters of phthalic acid and are mainly used as plasticizers (substances added to plastics to increase their flexibility). Phthalates, sometimes called phthalate esters, are chiefly used to soften polyvinyl chloride. Phthalates are used in fewer products in the United States and European Union, because of recent health concerns.

Some of the common uses of phthalates in products include adhesives and glues, agricultural adjuvants, building materials, personal care products, detergents and surfactants, plastic objects, paints, printing inks and coatings, pharmaceuticals, food products and textiles.

Phthalate testing is problematic due to their wide spread use and background levels can lead to false positive results. Therefore the laboratory must eliminate background sources of phthalates and ensure that quality control data supports that the analysis is free of these interferences. Although there are a number of analytical testing alternatives, the most common way for a laboratory to test for phthalates is using a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer operated in selected ion monitoring mode (GC/MS/SIM).
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Thanks so much for sharing this great information, Turtle.

Bugga, your blog is so well written and informative -- I will definitely be back again!
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thanks!
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Can't wait to hear the solution you came up with!
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Thank you! :o)
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Thanks for the info!
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Just in case you missed it! I've revealed the identity of the XRF tester who did my stuff :)

http://buggalove.blogspot.com
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Thank you for the inf.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but I just called my local Health Dept. and they offer XRF testing for free. They don't give testing certs but they give you test results on company letterhead. Do you think that will work?
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Re: Tips for finding XRF testing companies

That's a great question...

My local lead testing company won't stand behind the results of XRF testing fabrics. They said the result is unreliable since the gun is intended for detecting large amounts of lead.

Intstead he offered the 3rd party testing at $25 per component.

Anyone else run into this?
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Yes, the company I called locally did not have the appropriate XRF gun. Apparently there is more than one type. And there is a type appropriate for small items and smaller amounts of elements.
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Re: Tips for finding XRF testing companies

Ah... now THAT makes sense. Thanks!
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Re: Tips for finding XRF testing companies

Thanks buggalova!
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Re: Tips for finding XRF testing companies

I emailed Joel Recht

Director, Chemistry Division - Laboratory Sciences

U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission

this is the response I got from him

Can XRF technology be used to support general conformity certification as to lead paint or lead content limits?

Yes. Where third-party testing by an accredited laboratory is required as the basis for certification, that testing cannot be based on XRF technology at this time; however, XRF testing, either by a manufacturer or by a laboratory, may serve as the basis for general conformity certification. Manufacturers are cautioned, however, to be careful in their use of XRF for this purpose given the difficulties in screening for lead in paint with that technology.



Note that the timeline for what can and can’t be treated that way for your handmade products, consider what rules apply to what product types (handmade or not). For certain items such as painted children’s products and children’s metal jewelry, as well as for certain products that may pose a small parts/choking hazard to young children, cribs, etc., third party certification by an accredited laboratory is either already required for newly manufactured goods (such as for paints), or will soon be required (such as for lead in children’s metal jewelry). Other provisions of the CPSIA, such as lead in other materials (like plastic, glass, textiles, etc.) do not yet require 3rd party certification and won’t for at least several months.



A timeline for this sort of thing is on the CPSIA web page on our public website. Please keep an eye on our website, as we continue to publish new information. Given the number of rules going into effect at the moment, there are many new items going up on that site all the time, and some may address your issues.
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Re: Tips for finding XRF testing companies

If you are in need of XRF Rental try EQUIPCO, a factory authorized rental house for Innov-X. We have them in stock and have an easy to remember number 1-888-234-5678.

When you rent an XRF analyzer from EQUIPCO you will recieve a rental instrument ready to use for your application. We provide free training and configuration at any of our locations along with discrete secure handling of your data. All of our instruments are shipped overnight and you will only be charged for the days you use the instrument.

visit our XRF rental page at:

http://www.equipcoservices.com/rentals/soil-monitory/xrf-analyzers.html
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