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So I was concerned about phthalates and the chalkboard fabric I use to create chalkboard place mats. When I went to the retailer that I buy the fabric at Nancy's Notions, it specifically says that chalkboard fabric is non-compliant! Whoa. here's the links

This is about phthalates
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/smbus/manufacturers.html#q11

And this is on Nancy's Notions about the chalkboard fabric (Look under details)
http://www.nancysnotions.com/product/fabric/specialty/chalkboard+fabric+black+47%22+wide.do?search=basic&keyword=chalkboard&sortby=newArrivals&page=1


There are a bunch of people on etsy who sell chalkboard place mats. Should all of us pull items today? Is this enforceable now?

Has anyone found info about laminated cotton?

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Can anyone provide me with a link on the CPSIA site that specifically states that chalkboard fabrics are banned?

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Who says they are banned? It's for sale at my local fabric store.
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For sale? Sure. It's a general-use product.

OK to use for kids' products? That's a different question entirely, Patchtique.
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For sale? Sure. It's a general-use product.

OK to use for kids' products? That's a different question entirely, Patchtique.

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I know for a fact that when the rolls of chalkcloth come into the store, there are no labels, warnings, anything on them.
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But, Patchtique, there is not required to be any warnings on them. There is no restrictions to selling the product, just for using it to make kids' products.

Compare it to hot glue: it would have to be tested if used in a children's product, but it isn't SOLD as a children's product or marketed primarily to children 12 and under. CPSIA doesn't apply to the product unless/until it is used in a manner bringing it under the regulations.
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So I have it straight, the issue is with any chalkboard fabric purchased in the past but the old stuff would be okay to sell items for anyone over 12 years of age? The CPSIA requirement is for children under 12, right?
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I know nothing about chalkboard fabric specifically, but from previous posts in this thread:
-Older fabric was not compliant and should not be used for kids' items. OK to use for other items.

--Newer fabric has been said to be compliant. If so and you can get the GCC to back that up, it would be OK for kids' items.
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CPSIA is 12-and-under, craftchicks.
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But, Patchtique, there is not required to be any warnings on them. There is no restrictions to selling the product, just for using it to make kids' products.

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I understand. But there is nothing on the chalkcloth rolls, not even a manufacturer's name, let alone what it is made out of.

Consumers can use it for whatever they want, and I would say that 90% of the time they are using it for their kids - I mean it's a blackboard after all.

So we can't make placemats for children and sell them, but a parent can make them for their kids without being informed by the manufacturer of any issues whatsoever.
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Yup, that's just about the way the law works, Patchique. :-( I can knit a cardigan sweater with buttons for my grandchild using any commercial or antique buttons, but I can't sell one just like it without GCCs or having the buttons tested.

Though I'm surprised that the chalkcloth bolt has no markings at all. Perhaps they were on wrappings and removed by the retailer?
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Yup, that's just about the way the law works, Patchique. :-( I can knit a cardigan sweater with buttons for my grandchild using any commercial or antique buttons, but I can't sell one just like it without GCCs or having the buttons tested.

Though I'm surprised that the chalkcloth bolt has no markings at all. Perhaps they were on wrappings and removed by the retailer?

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Nope. The retailer happens to be my employer, so I see it come in. Vinyl coated fabric and clear vinyl also have no labeling on them.
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You do have to realize that this law is 99% bogus. Having a placemat with "possibly, maybe, who knows if, a small amount of phthalates that we don't even have a level for, nor a test for, nor even if it affects anyone but lab rats that we feed a diet of 400 times the amount that anything would get, and we have no equivilent results in humans, much less children" but we are going to say, because of the hysterical ecomaniacs that "it may be harmful because the said lab rats had small testicles, so therefore it may harm children, especially boy children, God forbid that they may have small testicles", so therefore phthalates are bad, and the gov, who gets $$$ from the aforemention ecomaniacs for their campaigns, and trips to Aruba, with the pretty little "bar girls" aka prostitutes, vote for "anything with phthalates must be bad, and therefore banned". Afterall the even thought of "small testicles" frightens the studs (ha ha) in congress. "So to that small business mom", that is trying to suppliment dad's income (if he is still working) so that she can stay at home with the kidlets, "we are after the safety of CHILDREN from the EVILS of BIG BUSINESS!!"
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Hi Faye! I didn't know Nacny Notions had compliant chalk board fabric now. Anyone have any luck getting test cert for it yet??
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I'm not going to swear to it. Originally they were not compliant and stated so on their catalog. The manufacturer stated they were working on one that was going to be compliant. Michael Miller fabric was also working on making their vinyl coated fabrics phthalate free, and had a few of them. I know that the fabric people are doing their best to reformulate. I don't have any current NN's catalogs, but I understand that was the plan.
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I read that the lead issue was for children under 12, but the phthalates were for children under 3? If that is the case, then the chalkboard fabric can be used for 4+ children, because it passes the lead, but not the phthalates. Same thing with the clear vinyl on I spy bags. Am I right in the assumption? Would a disclaimer "not intended for children under 3" work?
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ETA: On Nancy's Notions website, it does say the chalkboard fabric DOES PASS CPSIA standards now! WOOT!
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sweetmarm says:
I read that the lead issue was for children under 12, but the phthalates were for children under 3? If that is the case, then the chalkboard fabric can be used for 4+ children, because it passes the lead, but not the phthalates. Same thing with the clear vinyl on I spy bags. Am I right in the assumption? Would a disclaimer "not intended for children under 3" work?
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the restrictions on lead and phthalates both apply to products intended for children age 12 or younger.
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after looking at the regulations, I see you are right in regards to children's toys. this is a quote from http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/faq/108faq.html

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Three phthalates, DEHP, DBP, and BBP, have been permanently prohibited by Congress in concentration of more than 0.1% in “children’s toys” or “child care articles.” A “children’s toy” means a product intended for a child 12 years of age or younger for use when playing, and a “child care article” means a product that a child 3 and younger would use for sleeping, feeding, sucking or teething.
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I wasn't making the distinction between a toy and a care article.
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As an alternative, there is chalkboard paint and spray-paint. It doesn't say it can be used on fabric, but maybe with a primer layer it would work OK....might be time for some experimenting! It is also lead-free. Here's a link to one manufacturer:
http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=103
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I have been reading through all the posts and I also found on Nancy's Notions that the chalk board fabric is Compliant. I love making I spy bags, but I don't see that the vinyl is compliant and I also don't see if the PUL is comliant.

Does anyone know the status of those fabrics? I use PUL to make sandwich covers and snack bags.

Thanks to anyone who can answer this.
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