sugarplusspice
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Is Heartsy alienating sellers?

So with all the various threads about recent changes at Heartsy, it has made me wonder whether they have a future that looks anything like how they originally started. Someone made the comment on another thread that they weren't sure that they wanted their shop affiliated with a site that engaged in showing pictures without a seller's knowledge or authorization. I'm leaning the same direction with this change plus the seemingly deliberate move away from handmade, which initially I was ok with but I hadn't figured out that it was going to be a daily occurrence. I sort of thought it would be every once in awhile when they had a unique product that might interest Etsy buyers. *snort* Call me naive on that one!

all of this stuff has made me seriously reconsider my VIP membership and also whether I would ever do another deal.

What are others thinking? Has affiliation with heartsy become a liability? And does it even matter? I mean if ultimately heartsy is headed away from having a relationship with etsy sellers, does it matter that sellers feel this way? I know that many sellers are also heartsy buyers/VIP but I don't have any sense for how they account for heartsy's total VIP membership. It may have been a large percentage in the beginning but now I kind of doubt it.
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I feel exactly the way you do right now. I'm a VIP member and I'm really considering dropping it. I want to support our handmade sellers, but I'm really not liking the recent changes, ESPECIALLY featuring non-handmade sellers and the whole nomination thing. Not cool at all.
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not interested in them at all... too much has come up of late and now there are threads about shops being submitted without their knowledge?

certainly not the way I would run a business - just seems to sneaky and negative now.
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They've alienated me to the point I emailed them this morning to ask how to delete my account there, as I couldn't see a way to do it on the site. I know people praise them for listening and acting on feedback, and that is one good thing about them, but they wouldn't need to do that if they didn't rush in making such inane changes in the first place. I really hate that you can submit another person's shop without them being asked if they want to be on the site, and they're there straight away, being voted on whether they like it or not. That's really low and was the last straw for me, I'm afraid.
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Today felt like the final straw for me. They are really in it for the money which of course its their right but I can see less and less homemade/at home businesses on the site. I wouldnt be surprised to see major name brands soon.
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here is a thread I started about it last week.
http://www.etsy.com/teams/8912/heartsy-buyers/discuss/8607833/page/1/

it really does seem that they are headed to manufactured goods. I feel like they started with Etsy sellers to work out some of the newness and get some good statitstics to show the big manufacturers.

the new voting shoves most of us out altogether. It is close to impossible to meet the percentages

I turned off my heartsy daily emails and canceled my vip subscription last week.
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OMG!!! Boutique sellers are FIRST when I sign in!

What the hell?!?!?!?! When did this happen?
*facepalm*
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Yep, I saw that as well - I guess they are not promoting handmade like they used to and what is up with this B&B shop beauxsavonsfrais they have been up for ever and they still have allot of vouchers left!

And the boutique shops are not 50% off either to non VIP'S
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I thought heartsy was amazing, but I had to dig hard today to find a etsy item. Not at all what I thought it was intended to do.
Still waiting on a date for my feature, but I am thinking we are bumped out because of their new items.
Thanks for the posts, I was thinking it was just me,
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cheeky, definitely not just you.
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I can't find where you can submit other people's shops...Can some one please tell me where to go/what to do?
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it is at the bottom of most of the pages
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Thanks, I'll be back if I still can't find it, LOL!
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I can't find it either, but here is a screenshot someone posted earlier http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9ktr2x&s=7

I wonder if they've been doing more of that back-pedalling they're so good at and changed their minds about this?
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Re: Is Heartsy alienating sellers?

Heartsy... :(
:_(
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Heartsy reminds me a lot of a start up I worked for last year (web/app development). They had good intentions and (some) good ideas, but they were so disorganized that they couldn't execute anything properly.

When they wanted to add new features to a site/app, it was like they were throwing darts randomly at a board to come up with new ideas. It was horrible. Nothing was thought through in detail. Someone would suggest idea X and everyone would immediate jump and say "OH MY GOD YES X!! X IS THE BEST IDEA EVER. BOB! GO IMPLEMENT THAT RIGHT AWAY". No one considered the consequences, no one considered that it may alienate current users. Their only concern was "OMG YES! X WILL GIVE US MORE EXPOSURE = MORE MONIES". Their main problem was that they were very stubborn and resistant to change if someone challenged their new awesome feature.

Unfortunately I think this is the main problem plaguing young start ups. BUT Heartsy has at least listened to sellers in the past, so there is hope for them.

That being said, they are alienating me as a buyer and a potential seller. Everyday I see the resemblance between them and the start-up I worked for, and that makes me very weary to deal with them.

I know you have to be energetic, dynamic and quick to adapt new ideas when you're a start-up, but they are moving a little too quickly. If they slowed down a little bit and put a little more thought into new features (maybe involved more sellers in their thought process), I think everyone would be happy.
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I couldn't care less about their boutique offerings (meaning as a buyer I have no interest in them at all). For one thing, the deals are worse than what etsy sellers are offering - 50% off with no extra 10 dollars for VIPS.

For another thing, I'm in this to try the goods made by other etsy sellers and to support their shops. I have no interest in these off-etsy-psuedo-handmade things. I really don't care about them, at all.
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I agree distinction. they are alienating their original customers.
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I wish instead of throwing changes at us will nilly they'd do something radical like, oh, poll their users for their opinions...
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I think they did remove the link for submitting someone elses shop. For me that was the final straw and I'm not shopping there anymore.
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Not sure about sellers :), but they're alienating me as a buyer. I agree with DistinctionJewelry that I joined to buy from Etsy/Artfire sellers - and that I am NOT interested in the boutique stuff. (And even if I was interested - it's obtainable elsewhere. For example, the shea butter products they are selling today are also available at Walgreens - for approximately the same price when you account for shipping.)

They seem to change their minds about their direction quite often so will wait about a week or so to see what happens - otherwise will cancel my VIP.

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I don't understand the whole boutique direction. I mean, a boutique is just fine - but with the loyal following they'd built up for handmade items, why don't they showcase handmade items intheir boutique? So much classier.
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agree with swan...don't like the boutique. I recently signed up for VIP, to buy handmade, and try some new things I otherwise could not afford.

As a seller, we had a great experience, but we went before all the hoopla of 50/50, facebook ads, and nominating others' shops.

I would be re-thinking if I were still waiting to be featured.
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I can't believe the "Boutique" items are the main focus of Heartsy's page now. And that, plus "newest deals" and a TON of "extended deals" there is honestly just too much on the page that I don't feel like searching through! I counted 21 deals today. Really?
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I noticed one of the extended deals has been on their site for about a week now. I think today's also the first time there are 4 boutique sales going on instead of 3, but I could be mistaken.
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