How are you handling the new comments limit?

[#1]

I saw a treasury last night that was an angry response to what is supposedly Etsy's new policy that we're limited to making 100 comments per day. Then this morning, as I was fulfilling my agreements on my teams, I saw that some people had been stopped from further commenting, allegedly because they had exceeded their numbers limit.

This puts many of us in a dilemma. If we're on several teams that have a comment commitment, and we run through those treasuries every day (as asked), then we very quickly run up our comments. I suppose on the one hand it relieves us of the need to comment more than once on a treasury, but it also limits our ability to lend support to the curators.

Can someone from Etsy or the upper echelons comment on why this limit, and how you would like us to handle our team commitments? Frankly, it's not a policy that makes sense to sellers unless you can explain the reasoning behind it.

Anyone?

[Former_Member]

I cannot imagine making 100 comments a day. But for those who do - how much time does it take you?

And, if you are obliged to comment on Treasuries, how honest are you?

And, if you are not, what's the point of commenting under treasuries?

I think Etsy has to reevaluate things :)

[Former_Member]

Twitter has a tweet limit

Just saying.

[Former_Member]

Sonya,
How much time it takes is their own preference and I 'm sure that if you on any treasury teams you have to support your teammates. That is a purpose of the teams. Isn't it ?
Some people just like to comment like some other people like to tweet or any other social media...
This limit will just move thousands of people from commenting to 'hearting' and will create just more mess and a nightmare in the feed..
Etsy created FP for promotion so people who want to sell try to get there as much as they can since that produces them more circles ,more exposure and more sales.
Not everybody can afford fees and treat Etsy as a hobby so people try to support each other in the teams by promoting each other and offering support.

[Former_Member]

Renata, as I said before I was part of many treasury teams once upon a time (I actually quit because they were not generating any sales for me, but that is another point) in all the teams that I was a part of you had to favorite the treasuries as well as comment. So I doubt you need to worry about people faving them instead of commenting since they already do that.

Also, if the point of treasuries and treasury teams is to support each other and gain exposure, then why is favoring bad? That allows the treasury to appear in the activity stream of everyone in your circle so that people who might actually want to favorite it just because they like it will see it. You gain just as much if not more exposure for your treasury that way.

And am I reading your last comment right? Sounds like you are accusing people who don't participate in self promotion and treasury teams of treating Etsy as a hobby. You know that very few people actually receive sales from treasuries right? Unless they are featured on the front page but even then I have mostly heard stories of just a spike in views and maybe two or three sales.

[Former_Member]

I don't understand this change.

Does it affect me? Not in the least. . .

I think there are more important things for Etsy to worry about.

[Former_Member]

I have been able to spend a lot of time on Etsy this winter because I am away from my studio. I have made dozen of treasuries and actively participated in over two dozen teams. Still, I have never reached 100 comments in a single day. I think the number is sufficient for almost anyone; I know it is for me.

[Former_Member]

This is totally distressing! I'm on numerous teams and have just found that I am unable to comment on T's for the rest of the day. How can I possibly support my team mates. This will be the demise of treasury teams.

[Former_Member]

Courtney Rae is right. 100 comments is plenty. Treasury teams are just clicking and hearting and commenting for the sake of doing so/because they have to for the team, not because they actually love the items featured. Those comments and views and clicks are meaningless and perpetuate the cycle of the same sellers/type of items consistently making the top of the page. It's diminished the meaning of treasuries.

[Former_Member]

It doesn't affect me because I comment on treasuries that I like, not because I'm obligated to do so.

[PrintDesignsbyJessa]

I personally think that a more "effective" use of the 100 comment rule would be that instead,

You can't post the identical comment more than, 50 times? Even 25 times? That would be spam, I believe. If the purpose is to limit the amount of spam then wouldn't that make more sense?

[Former_Member]

I don't see a 100 comment per day limit as a problem at all.

I spend a lot of time viewing treasuries and haven't ever hit the 100 comment limit.

There really isn't any need to comment more than once on any treasury IMO

[Former_Member]

My question is, when have you ever seen spam in a treasury? I have never seen it and I see a lot of treasuries.

[Former_Member]

I kind of like it because it restricts people from adding useless two word comments. Maybe now the comments section will have more meaning.

[MyDistinctDesigns]

100 times a day. I can't imagine ever reaching that limit either.

[wildwomanbeads]

I agree that a useless two word comment isn't the point of "commenting" on a treasury. If I really like it, I want to support the curator (and featured artists) by saying so. The curator gets the least support of anyone in a treasury; most of us create them as a mechanism for supporting others.

So I'd rather have no comment than a "copy" of a standard comment. And as the viewer of a treasury, I would prefer to comment only when I'm really drawn into or excited by an interesting, creative or especially beautiful treasury.

And personally I don't think I've ever come close to exceeding the 100 comment limit.

All that said, a lot of people (including team captains) have a different need than I do to be commenting, or convo-ing, and in touch with people on Etsy every day. And some people are homebound, and Etsy is a social medium for them as well as a business supporting them or their families, so what I might need, and what someone else might need in the way of "comments" could be very different.

I would prefer to have Etsy not shut someone down because of an arbitrary limit. Or, if they're going to do that, I would probably feel better about it if they told us the reason. But they haven't. It would be courteous for them to let team captains know (at the very least) so that word will ripple out to the rest of us.

Even if this doesn't directly effect me (or you), it does directly effect others on Etsy. Please keep them in mind too. We're not just individuals, we're a community too.

[toysofthepast]

Meredith, thank you so much for taking the time to write that post.

My favorite part:
"Even if this doesn't directly effect me (or you), it does directly effect others on Etsy. Please keep them in mind too. We're not just individuals, we're a community too."

I am seeing too many people that are forgetting exactly that. We are a community.

Thank you

[thedots]

If any etsy seller here has time to make 100 comments a day on anything, how are they finding time to work on their shop?!

Why would anyone admit to being ticked off about not being able to make more than 100 comments on anything?!

Some people have way too much time on their hands if they are spending their day commenting...

[Former_Member]

I didn't even know that they had this limit lool I barely make 20 MAX lool

[GabriellasTreasures]

Didn't read this whole thread, but is that why I noticed earlier today "this post has been removed" on many threads? It seemed unusual to me - ??

[WildflowerSalvage]

I don't have any issue with the limit. I think this constant comment thing on treasuries is a bit bizarre. When I create a treasury, I want comments from people who actually love the treasury...no generic "love it":)
The only issue I have with the limit is the "idea" this is to avoid spammers. As a curator you are allowed to erase any post you don't like. If spamming is an issue, there is already a solution in place.

[Former_Member]

I am concerned that Etsy is making some changes that are not helpful and not making changes that would be helpful. I want my team members to comment as much as they like, but I desperately need to be able to delete discussion threads that are old, or that have become negative!

[Former_Member]

I never myself comment on 100 in a day, but I have already noticed a difference with treasuries I make. Comments on them are a lot less and more people are hearting them instead it seems. Like one of mine from today has 4 comments, but 12 or so favorites which typically it was the other way around.

[Former_Member]

I personally cannot fathom making 100 treasury comments a day, but it isn't for me to say how others choose to delegate their time.

I don't see a problem with a limit, however. It doesn't seem unreasonable. One thing I do not understand is the need to comment more than once on the same treasury. To me that is a pretty obvious attempt at gaming, and i really think that should be curtailed.

[toysofthepast]

Looks like the limit has been lifted!
See the highlighted post in this discussion (the edit to the post) and also a new highlighted post:

http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10047607/page/1

[wildwomanbeads]

Thanks for updating all of us on this decision. If you go back to my original post on this discussion thread, you'll see I am neither for or against having some policy on comments. What I am for is a sensible policy.

It makes sense to ask us not to leave multiple comments on one treasury just to pump up the stats for that curator. One comment and one heart is enough, and makes sense.

It makes sense that some of us don't get anywhere near making 100 comments a day, and therefore aren't remotely near the limit.

It also makes sense that some people on Etsy DO have a need for more than 100 comments, and that should be taken into consideration. Etsy has apparently agreed this is true, and changed their policy. I think this has been a worthwhile discussion thread, and I thank all of you for posting your comments.

Two more things I wish I could do. I wish I could help those of you who've made comments about the work ethic of others to see that we do not all live the same lives, and are not all here on Etsy for the same reasons but we have all committed to being respectful to our fellow artisans.

In joining Etsy, we join a community of artists around the world. Respect for that amazing endeavor means, at least in part, not judging others for having a reality that's different from mine (ours). We all pledged to that in becoming part of this effort to support each other.

And then, the other thing I wish is that I, as the person who started this discussion thread (and others), could also now delete it, stop the clutter of threads on my community boards when they're clearly finished, and keep them current and appropriate to current issues. I have threads that are now several years old in a growing list of possible deletes. I'd like to see both the curator and the initiator of a discussion be able to remove them from the threads.

Have a lovely day, all!