Olympias
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Propane and Mapp gas-is it safe?

Hello all!

I was using for years propane gas to solder my jewelry.
Since I moved to another building, in a very hot place in Greece.

So I decided to take the small yellow can of propane and maap gas and not keep the huge propane tank that I used all these years...

I started to read the caution signs and.....THE HORROR!!!!

''Danger to be carcinogenic and highly toxic'' I think that this is due to the Maap that it includes. I know that all fumes are bad for you , that is why I use a mask when soldering, but my propane never had that sign on.It had the irritation sign, but not this!

So, what do you use?Propane or mapp? Or both? (Also now that I bought it they told me that it is more dangerous to explode than propane....)

Your opinion please!
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Re: Propane and Mapp gas-is it safe?

I just use propane/air. Prpane in the small consumer size.

If you're familiar with the large propane tanks I wouldn't be overly concerned. Both propane and mapp can be very explosive, common sense for both.

Others will have lots more to say probably.
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I use only propane (atmospheric air). I tried maap once but I hated it. Too dirty! I had black things flying all over the place the moment I ignited it. It was maap only (no propane). Other than that I cannot say much about maap.
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Oh… but if you are using it on a well ventilated space and wearing a mask (the real deal, not the paper one) and if you are changing the filters regularly I wouldn't worry about it.

Use your common sense and as always be extra careful. The mask will protect you form the fumes and the ventilation will make sure that there's no build up of gas in one area. Also make sure that no gas is leaking out and and to be extra careful you can always close all the valves and bleed your hose after you are done soldering.
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Olympias
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Re: Propane and Mapp gas-is it safe?

I will give it a try (thank God I took the small size can)...
Also what is this crazy sign on it that says

''''Danger to be carcinogenic in the state of California'' on it???

Well, lets hope that since I am a long way from California, it won't be that dangerous....(lol)
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oiseaumetalarts
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propane (bbq grill size) and oxy...

did MAPP way back when...
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oiseaumetalarts
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Olympias from Olympias says
I will give it a try (thank God I took the small size can)...
Also what is this crazy sign on it that says

''''Danger to be carcinogenic in the state of California'' on it???

........................................
i think California causes cancer.... they just blame it on the broducts.
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thanks, Damon, i always wondered about that and try to stay away except for Death Valley, which i cannot believe is actually part of California..........
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california thinks everything is carcinogenic, including white bronze. *shrug*
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SylviaAnderson
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Lol, you guys are cracking me up with all of the California comments! Yes, we Californians tend to lead the way in laws regarding peoples health and safety, but the key is using common sense. :) I also use propane and oxygen....it's what I learned on, and am comfortable with.
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yep everything seems to cause cancer or birth defects in the state of california, even my nail polish says that on the side!

I use propane. Mapp is too filthy for me.
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prox
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Am I the only one using acetylene?
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Hello :)
I use oxygen and acetylene (acetelyene burns hotter that propane). MAPP gas is not hot enough for me and yes...it is ver dirty. I have the large tanks of both and obviously, they are both explosives...inculding MAPP. Anything that will burn...will usually explode ;)
You should have a ventilation system if you are using any type of gas or are soldering or heating metals of any kind. Yes, a mask will help you from breathing the toxic fumes in while you are working, but they do not just dissapear when you take your mask off. They still linger in the air...especially if you are in an enclosed area with little to no airflow.
I HIGHLY reccommend that you install some sort of ventilation system if you are going to be working with these gasses and metals. Even the over the stove vents, for in your kitchen, would be better than not having anything at all. You may not "feel" anything is wrong or happeneing to your body now...but if you work with these toxic metals and chemicals for years, without protecting yourself...THAT would be your cause of cancer or some other illness.
Like everyone else said...use common sense...its worth your health to be careful when working with such "tools".
Good luck!
Have a lovely Sunday, Everyone...
Brea
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I use propane and atmosphere. Sometimes I use propane and oxygen. I tend to avoid using oxygen because it's expensive. Once in a while, I will use a small butane torch, mostly for flame finishing waxes.

I learned on acetylene-atmosphere at my first school. Acetylene is cheap, but very dirty and you need a good ventilation system. When released, acetylene rises, so in that respect it is sometimes considered safer than propane. Propane drops when released so it can pool in corners and in low areas of your house / basement. That's generally a bad situation to have.

If you solder directly in front of an open window, you can place a fan in the window to suck the fumes into the fan and out the window. You can also place an additional fan behind you to help blow the fumes out through the window. However, the fan behind you might bother your soldering work.

Do not solder over the stove. The vent hood on the stove seems like a good idea, but the vent hood actually draws the fumes upward, right up past your face, so you are breathing those in. You want the fumes to be drawn away from your face and out of the building (like through a window).

In crowded cities, I understand they don't let you generally solder with propane tanks because of the fire risk. In San Francisco, you have to hire a plumber to hook up a natural gas outlet from your natural gas line to your soldering table. This is generally considered the safest regarding fire risk. At my second school, I learned on natural gas-oxygen.

Regarding breathing fumes, using a respirator is fine while you're soldering but the fumes are still there when you take it off. If you need to use a respirator, then you know you do not have adequate ventilation. I find it's best not to use a respirator so you can detect by smell if there is a problem (doesn't work for everything) and fix it.
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no i use acetylene, indoors, with not great ventilation, because the window trick doesn't work so great with my window.......mostly air gets pushed in through the fan........
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I use air/acetylene, and have for 40 years. The only thing I can't do with it is platinum, which I don't do anyway. All the heat I ever need...and then some. Big buckles (2ozs) no problem...little chain repairs, jump rings just put the small tip on. Gold, silver, brass, copper...no problems.

Air/acetylene is clean and with 3 tips I can do everything...except platinum.

I fill a small tank (about 2' tall) about every 2 years...150 or 200 pieces. $30 I think.
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Olympias
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Air/acetylene sounds great...too bad that is not available in my country....only oxygen- propaine- and maap are available here...
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I'm really glad I ran into this string. I just started taking a metal smith class and we use acetylene. I have a small butane torch at home which I haven't used yet, but my husband has what I'll call a "collection" of different torches and one of the options was MAPP. Since I am very new to using metal, when you say MAPP is dirty, are you talking sooty or does it have negative affects on the metal?
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