I know, "rose by any other name" and all. But sometimes there really is something in a name.
I could understand "Help" and "Forums" being under the same umbrella, but when "Help" becomes the umbrella, it just makes it official that the only reason Etsy thinks these forums should exist is to reduce their own cost for providing support to fee-paying customers. I know that's the direction internet-based businesses have been going for a long time, but it's still kind of disheartening. I've always seen it as something more than that, as Etsy sellers having something in common that gave us a reason to want to spend time exchanging ideas with each other.
I know that sounds incredibly naive. I mean, some of us are actually head-to-head competitors with each other. But we're still all in this together, somehow.
Oh, well. What's in a name? If some of us want to be "community," we can be community. After all, that's still in the url for the forums. And it's still one of the tags for forum threads!
Trish O'Connor
Owner, Epiclesis Consulting LLC
So that's where they hid it! I noticed "Community" was missing, so I thought they removed the link altogether.
It's smoke and mirrors for actual customer service.
It's actually the customers providing the customer service.
I have a theory about why Etsy is moving away from providing customer service supports or navigable written information ... and it has very little to do with staffing costs, call volume or technology.
@SeasideRoseCreations sorry …. I wasn’t trying to state the obvious. I understood what you meant about the smoke and mirrors and was just agreeing with you.
Took me a few minutes to find it. I thought maybe they had decided I spend too much time on the forums, so they hid the path from me.
what came to my mind when I saw this change: Octavia Spencer serving pie to Bryce Dallas Howard.
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I never noticed that you could get to the forums through anything but the bar at the bottom of the various pages here: home page, shop page, search pages, etc. so I didn’t even know anything had changed.
The problem with this is, we have no power here. Sure we can tell new sellers where they can go to find things or that messages are scams, but if they have a real issue, we can’t evaluate their problems internally or flip any switches. We’re kind of like an instruction label on a life preserver (since someone else brought up the Titanic, lol), useful, yes, but not really worth much without the life preserve itself. Since Etsy’s actual customer service is the life preserver, trying to cut more access to it is going to leave a lot of sellers drowning and not just newbies. The serious problems—the ones the forums can’t help with—can hit any shop, even very well established ones.
And, this is a community, but Etsy’s been trying to erase that. When everyone gets together and makes jokes and laughs, while trying to keep on topic and remain business-like, of course, it’s a community. Etsy can try to erase that, but competitors or not, ways to chitchat or not, you can’t really take the uniting force of this boat we’re all in away from us. I’ve worked several retail jobs in my life, and let me tell you, even if you don’t always like all your coworkers, you’re still a team. Competitors or not, we here on Etsy are a team too, sort of. There might be those who aren’t willing to help even their competitors, but a lot of us are. Even from around the world, and I think that’s wonderful.