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Mattel to handle their own testing

Hi I haven't been around lately but I came across this and I think you'll find it interesting to say the least.

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/safety/2009/08/cpsc-allows-mattel-to-oversee-its-own-inspections-to...
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Hm, when you have money you can get away with anything.

Viva handmade. Gr! to corporations!

Thanks for the info- made me all fiery!! :)
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Ain't life grand??? Ironic isn't it?
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ARE YOU KIDDING? Yea, I know I was yelling. It really irks me that the "big boys" who can afford the testing, and are responsible for the new laws anyhow, are being allowed this and those who can't afford the testing, and were not the ones producing tainted products are left holding the short straw.
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siiiiiiiiigh
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fan-freakin-tastic
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This is outrageous! As a mother ... I am completely PO'd by this!!!

I am thinking that a "mommy blogger's unite" is in order on this one!!!

I don't even sell things for children anymore ...

Mattel is one of the main reasons that we are all even dealing with the CPSIA right now!

PO'd!
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Figures this would happen it just builds that consperacy theory even more. If the CPSC allows this then the CPSC is violating the law that they are to enforce. The law clearly states that it is to be a"third party testing facility" to do the testing of the maufacturers product. Hmm good fuel for the letter to my non responding congressman for today..
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But one has to remember that the congressman quickly learn who's a** they need to kiss. We are forgotten in the first week.
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RMDCreations says:
Figures this would happen it just builds that consperacy theory even more. If the CPSC allows this then the CPSC is violating the law that they are to enforce. The law clearly states that it is to be a"third party testing facility" to do the testing of the maufacturers product. Hmm good fuel for the letter to my non responding congressman for today..
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That's what's so confusing...yet they have no wiggle room in regards to other aspects like component testing?
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When you had that link open, did you pick up on this at the right hand side.

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/safety/2009/07/obama-picks-anne-northup-for-cpsc-commissioner.html

Do you think that there is some change going on. Do you see a glimmer of hope?
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Fox guarding the hen house indeed! Outrageous!!!

In the future the headlines will read that Mattel fudged the results further poisoning children and then all the children of the US will be denied toys, clothing, playgrounds...They will be forced to live a "safe" plastic bubble which will be made by some 3rd party subsidiary of Mattel.

My heart goes out to you makers of hand crafted children's items.
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Mattel is not alone. I think Walmart has a similar arrangement.
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If you have not checked out Rick's blog in the last couple of days, I recommend you do. Speech by Inez Tannebaum is feature in his second post down.

http://learningresourcesinc.blogspot.com/
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Nice... really nice...
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Thank you for sharing.
I wonder if Mattel has considered changing their name to "Why-Tel"
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WHAT?????????

This is absolutely insane!!! Self regulation, isn't that great.
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Great! We all are hung out to dry, and they do what they did in the first place - make cheap crappy toys. Yup, it was all conspiracy from the get-go!
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Disgusting. Laws like this are destroying freedom, and the agencies that are supposed to represent the people are owned by big business instead. We are in a very deep hole, and not just on this CPSCIA thing. I hope we have enough (lead paint covered) shovels that we can dig our way out.
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TemptressYarn says:
Disgusting. Laws like this are destroying freedom, and the agencies that are supposed to represent the people are owned by big business instead. We are in a very deep hole, and not just on this CPSCIA thing. I hope we have enough (lead paint covered) shovels that we can dig our way out.

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That hole is getting deeper by the day or should I say hour and it is certainly scary.
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Oh and one more thing...I dont' know if any of you checked Rick's blog yet but it sounds like Inez Tannenbaum plans to enforce this law as written and the stay will definately end on Feb 10, 2010. Sounds like she is not going to challenge Congress over this and is leaving it up to us. Well we all know how far that has gotten us at this point. I could say more but some people that check out this forum don't like us to discuss politics that are not totally CPSIA so I won't but just to make this clear...CPSIA is political. If they are so concerned about safety they would have fined Mattel more and never have let them oversee their own testing. They were the ones that caused this big mess in the first place. The little guy is punished for nothing but making safe items. Yikes
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This is disgusting. Mattel cal police itself yet I have to go out of business for making perfectly safe toys? What kind of world are we in?!?
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When you had that link open, did you pick up on this at the right hand side.

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/safety/2009/07/obama-picks-anne-northup-for-cpsc-commissioner.html

Do you think that there is some change going on. Do you see a glimmer of hope?
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There is a provision (somewhere, but I forget where I read that) that the Commissioners need to be selected from both parties. Not a glimmer of hope so much as mandated so that there is fairness.

That the other one is *from* Consumers Union leads me to believe that we're facing an end in 02-10 when the testing stay expires (but PLEASE let them prove me wrong).
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Another point-of-view from an artist/crafter employed in the giftware industry...
(NOT a fan of CPSIA, not for or against Mattel, just privy to different info than some other people here.)

This isn't some special exemption for Mattel- other companies are moving their testing in-house, they just haven't gotten any press because they don't have a history of recalling their products. The press only mentions Mattel because they know everyone will freak out about it. Watching people freak out is a lot more fun than actually explaining why anything might make sense don't you think?

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Other companies are also currently working on setting up in-house testing labs. Right now the test fees alone are adding maybe 10% at retail to every item they sell. (it varies.) Moving the testing in-house will allow them to sell the same safe products they already sell for the same prices they used to sell them for, and keep their customers from going ballistic. (Once the set-up is complete. But first it's going to cost a fortune.)

It's better for the company, it's better for the employees of the company who now won't need to be laid off when the company makes up the cost by cutting payroll, it's better for the small retailers who buy product from them, it's better for the end consumer whose dollars aren't going as far these days.

The same rules still apply, regardless of who performs the test.
Approved product that reaches the U.S. market is still subject to inspection, recall and lawsuits.
And unless the CPSC is planning to hold Mattel accountable by testing every single item they import (hard to enforce legally when Mattel was allowed to pay a fine without ever admitting it did anything wrong, and it also wouldn't go over well with taxpayers who would have to fund all the building, equipping and inspecting that would require) it makes more sense to allow the on-site inspections that are part of the deal, that will really speed things up and save $ for the CPSC.

and- there's nothing inherently more reliable about 3rd party testing anyway. Testers are independent business owners operating a business for a profit. subject to all the same error-making, cost-cutting, corner-cutting, and back-room-deal-making that goes on in other businesses. Most are located in other countries & aren't run by American citizens, so legal recourse against them -by injured U.S. consumers or by the U.S gov't- is limited.
If Mattel (or anyone else) was just trying to get away with something, I suspect that it would be a lot more cost-effective to bribe someone at a testing facility than to build your own. And way easier to pass the buck when something goes wrong!
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"and- there's nothing inherently more reliable about 3rd party testing anyway."
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I disagree. Third Party testers have no vested interest in whether or not the items pass. Company employees do. While Mattel may not be going into it with the notion of "getting away with something", it could be very easily abused later on. And without third party testing, there is nothing to stop them.
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