Former_Member
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I'm in Canada, but...

Anyone got info re yarns made overseas? I make children's hats and the rules haven't changed here, but don't know if when I open my Etsy shop it will be illegal to sell them in the US.
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Former_Member
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Re: I'm in Canada, but...

If you're in Canada, then you're not selling "in the US" - if Americans want to buy from Canada, then technically they're shopping "in Canada," so you're covered!

It would be different if you were selling wholesale into the US, of course, because then you'd be a supplier.
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Re: I'm in Canada, but...

I'm not so sure about that, weesandy. My understanding of the law was that nothing could be imported or exported out of the US that didn't meet the standards.
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Even if you're in Canada you have to comply.
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We have the stay in effect right now, and yarn is most likely getting a permanent exemption at some point anyway since all the testimony from the textile industry stating that their tests showed little or no lead in yarn.
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DragoninKnots
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Re: I'm in Canada, but...

So far, it looks like yarn is exempt.
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If you are selling to *Americans* you have to comply with U.S. law.

You don't have to follow U.S. regulations if you're not selling to the U.S.
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Re: I'm in Canada, but...

That's true, but importing is different from allowing someone to buy. I can't sell you wholesale, since then I'm a supplier who is exporting into the US, but I don't have to deny individuals the right to buy from another country.
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Re: I'm in Canada, but...

Until this CPSIA mess gets straightened out, I don't think anyone really knows what the implications are for any of it.
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Re: I'm in Canada, but...

Hello again-
Gave up yesterday and went to bed-thanks to all of you for answering. Oddly, I've noticed that most of the yarn I use is made right here in Canada, but inevitably some is from China, and that always raises red flags. I've been feeling guilty about the ones I've already sold at crarft fairs, so you have put my mind somewhat at rest hearing that testing has come up fairly negative for lead (so far). I guess like so many of you the answer is to try and be patient and see how it all unfolds, but I guess when I open my shop this summer
depending on the state of things, I'll hold off on the kid's hats till I know for sure. Thanks again to all of you!
Wendi :o)
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Re: I'm in Canada, but...

My understanding is the same as weesandy.
US buyers are bound by US law. *if* there were going to be a problem with a US buyer buying from you, it would be on their end as they are the US citizen bound by US law.
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these items are not illegal nor have they been deemed dangerous and open for seizure at the border.
Items with LEAD have been deemed dangerous and illegal.
And in order for that to be ascertained an item must be tested and certified etc.
And in order for that to happen, the law reads that the IMPORTER must do this... therefore items must reach the importer, therefore your buyer gets their goods.

IF that is the end of the line, that is, they bought for personal use. End of story, no problem.

IF they are buying for resale, that is, to sell on the US commercial market the items must become certified and that is THEIR responsibility as the importer. Of course, as an importer they may not buy from you in Canada is certifyingis going to be an issue/ expense for them, which is where it would affect your business.

So, yes, you can sell to the US. You must comply with Canadian law. You are not breaking any US laws. It is as if JOhnny USA came over to Canada and bought a tedy bear and drove back home. IF there is issue with the teddy, it is his issue, not yours (ie the border guards aren't going to march teddy bear back to you and slap YOUR wrist).

Same as me wanting to buy a plastic bottle with PBA. Illegal to sell in Canada, but I can order online from the US and have it show up at my door without issue.

Long answer, I know, but US law applies to US citizens, products and markets. The CPSIA law is geared to items entering the US market as saleable goods. Selling from Canada to a US citizen for personal use is at the buyer's own risk.

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Re: I'm in Canada, but...

That's a great synopsis thanks BeneathTheRowanTree-and I love your shop and will always remember to blame the pixie! :)
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LOL Pixies always do naughty things :)
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Re: I'm in Canada, but...

Thanks, RowanTree. Worded much more clearly your way! :-) That's what I was trying to get at, basically that the US can only make laws for US citizens.
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