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Glue frustrations!!!

I am sooo tired of trying to find a glue that is better then E6000. At least so far it seems to be the strongest.

So, the E6000 would NOT be accessible in the bows, paci clips and other things I make.

1. But can I use it even so? I know if something is NOT accessible to the child, it is ok, right?

2. If you use E6000, do you find that it holds up with many many washes?

I have bought a few glues by Beacon, and other places that claim to be super strong (meaning, when I try to pull what I glued apart.....it doesn't come apart 2 days later) but nothing holds up to E6000 so far. I am tired of spending money on trial and error!!!

3. If I can't use E6000, what is something JUST as good?

4. I would really like to find a way to use heat to seal things I make (I use grosgrain ribbon, fabric etc), so I DON'T have to use glue, but no luck so far.

5. Can someone recommend a heat sealing method? I know there are some out there but not sure what they are called or where to buy the things needed to do it.

Thanks,
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

What are you trying to glue together?
There are many different types of glue and most are material specific.
Todays glues are extremely durable and bond at the molecular level. This translates into extremely strong bonds and when attempting to break that bond usually destroys the material and never breaks the glue joint.
Most of my glueing is done with wood. I use Titebond III for that in most instances, but sometimes when I need an instant bond I use a comercial grade of cyanoacrylate (super glue) used by the woodworking industry. This super glus is great for jewelry, and most all other materials. You can obtain it in several different consistancies, thin, medium, thick, gel, etc. to use in various situations. The bond is very strong as well.
I never have been impressed with E6000. The bond has never been up to the type joining that I require.
Check out Titebond's web site. Also, Google adheasives for more info. There is a vast world of them out there and many are very good. Good luck.

Jim T
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

perhaps this will help
http://www.thistothat.com/
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

Thanks guys. So here is some more info:

So, what I am trying to bond is fabric to fabric usually. Because I make items children will use, I want something super strong. That is why I am very interested in heat bond/treatment. It's so strong!

I mean E6000 works, I am just not sure if I can use it. Anyone know?

I'd want to use it when I make pacifier clips out of certain types of ribbon and rather then sew them or glue them closed.

I want a heat bond method.

I do use a snap for where the pacifier will go, to keep it closed, but that isn't the whole process of making them and you can't just use snaps. You need to close/seal ribbon around the clip and other things.

I have seen examples of heat sealing/bonding on certain ribbons, but I do not know what they use. I asked a few people but most won't say because it's their secret. I totally understand that though. I have googled my self to death trying every key word(s) I could think of. No luck. (thanks for the link to that page Anickascottage! I don't think it helped but it is very useful as I might have another use for it).

Wish I could post an example of the heat bond...but I don't know if I can post a picture on here or if the person who created the item would want me to. What it looks like is, that a very very hot and thin metal bar sealed it. I know it was done using heat, that much I do know as they both told me it was a "heat treatment".

I feel bad talking about it as it's someone else's method, but I am sick of glues and hot glue is not an option as I am not convinced it would do well in the wash and just isn't strong enough. If someone were to wash the paci clips (you can say don't wash it, but it doesn't mean they won't) it wouldn't be able to hold up I don't think and, if they were to throw it in the wash and run the machine on "hot" it may melt the glue.....who knows.

I would rather not sew the areas I want to heat seal if I can help it. I like how the heat sealing/bonding looks. It looks clean.

Anyone out there work with a method that seals fabric that uses heat? All it leaves behind is a narrow, clear mark on the ribbon ( I thought it was glue at 1st) from the examples I have seen. I really want to make these, but if I have to buy them I will I guess.

Please help.

I only use glues that are for fabric and the fabric has never ripped, torn etc when I try pulling it apart when testing glues. The problem is it's not a strong enough bond.

I sure hope someone can figure out what the heat treatment is.
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

I use Fabri-Tac from Beacon. I found this link for another Beacon adhesive that's supposed to be even better:
hipgirlclips.com/forums/.../166-glue-better-than-fabric-tac.html -
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By heat-bond do you mean thermo-bond, etc., using an iron? I've never had much luck with getting the heat equally correct on all parts/pieces of whatever I'm trying to bond and I've tried them all. I still don't understand your application, but if you're bonding just a small circle of ribbon for hanger(?), you could try Fabritac. If you haven't tried it, you may be surprised how well it holds up in washings. Otherwise, I don't know why you wouldn't hand-tack while watching TV ;)
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oops that link doesn't work, I'l find another. IndigoMoon, Fabri-Tac works best for me. I glued some crocheted netting to jeans that were ripped and holey in many spots. The jeans have been washed several times and the crocheted patches are still on.
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

I used to make boutique children's hair bows & when I did, I used a wood burning tool to heat fix the ends of the ribbon to prevent fraying. I also used a lighter. With practice, you can get to where the edges aren't darkened.
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

Thumbs~Up to ecocrafter...I love fabri-tac this works on just about anything. Besides using it for many various projects it works great for Girl Scout patches - lol (shhh-I'm a leader). Its fairly cheap (under $5) give it a try! :)
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

I'll try fabri tac. :)I'm just tired of trying glues ya know? But I will try it. Thanks for the suggestions guys.

I do use a lighter to stop the ends of my ribbons from fraying.
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

yep, fabric tac. I love all the beacon glues.
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

I use the fabric glue sold by Rolley Company. I use it to help glue decorative trims to drapery curtains. It's super strong and stays strong after washing, too. You can find Rolley Co. online and order directly.
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

Eco Crafter~ I think it's some kind of metal bar that is heated up and used to seal/bond the fabric. I'm not sure. As I said, I have some items that I bought from a couple of people that told me, it's a heat treatment ( but it's their secret). So I have no idea what I am looking to buy. Just wondering if someone might be savy and able to figure it out for me. Maybe someone who does this can tell me or someone who works with metals etc can figure it out.

Again, it's a clear color mark and looks like a very thin bar of some kind made the mark.
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

There is more technical discussion about glue in the "techniques and materials" section of the forums.
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

LOL yeah, what thebows said
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

Good info!
I like this also
http://www.thistothat.com/

I'll be checking back!
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Re: Glue frustrations!!!

What about a heat sealer - like this used for sealing poly bags?
http://www.papermart.com/Product%20Pages/Product.aspx?GroupID=18854&SubGroupID=18855&ParentGroupID=1...

I think it uses a hot wire to seal...if the ribbon is synthetic would it work the same way?
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