Anyone else tired of the CPSIA priced listings?

[#1]

I have spent a good amount of time in the past week searching for several kids' birthday presents for ages 1 through 5. I have grown tired of reading through the listings to find the true cost of an item with a listing price of $4,000. I am in huge support of the shop owners fighting for a change in this law and would hate to see the selling of unique, quality children's items become a thing of the past on Etsy. But this form of protest is getting in the way of buying here and is a huge turnoff when searching for gifts.

Just thought you should know the experience of an Etsy buyer.

[Former_Member]

Okay, I could only get halfway through this thread. My family is demanding my attention and the snack keeping the 4 year old busy will only last so long (as he eats me out of house and home already). So here's my two cents.

I apologize to anyone who thinks the CPSIA compliant pricing listings are annoying. However I find it surprising that a buyer would find 84 listings out of 164,903 so annoying that it warrented whining about it in the forums. Really? 84 listings out of over one hundred thousand is really clogging up your search and the system THAT much?????

What I find more annoying than 84 listings showing the true and honest price their product will be in less than three weeks, is that in less than three weeks, those products will be honestly be $2000 - 10,000 due to this rediculous law. What that means for us sellers of children's items is that we need to either 1) find incredibly rich people willing to buy our products, 2) go out of business or 3) break the law and risk being fined hundreds of thousands of dollars.

What I find annoying is that the CPSC believes if I take two pieces of 100% lead free cotton and some cotton/poly thread, combine them into a lovingly handcrafted baby blanket in my guest room/sewing room, magically out of thin air, that baby blanket suddenly becomes a hazardous material. It's annoying that my baby blanket then needs to be tested at the cost of $1200. AND if I decide to make even one change in that baby blanket design, including changing thread, backing fabric, or even the size, I have to have that blanket tested too. Because we all know that if I cut the certified lead free fabric even just an inch short, ta-da! lead appears!!!!

What I find annoying is that in less than three weeks, I can no longer buy my son a custom tie dyed tshirt, handcrafted wooden trucks, homemade playdough, a crocheted stuffed animal, or an upcycled journal. Know why? BECAUSE THEY WON'T EXIST!!!

So I'm sorry 84 listings with projected pricing in them annoy you. I hope you won't be so annoyed in three weeks when you can't find that gift for your child at all.

[Dannielle]

stamp says:

The attitude from sellers direclty affected by this has been "f-ck everyone else, my business is at stake" and it's getting worse. That's not really the attitude to take when trying to win support.
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This has never been my attitude and I sincerely hope my posts have not come across this way.

I honestly do not see how my one listing affects those who do not sell toys. I've politely offerred my position on this matter and am truly open to hearing the perspective of those with a differing opinion.

All of my listings are in the Toy category, including my one listing that is priced to include lead and phthalate testing.

If someone selling in the toy category said I could upset their cutomer with my listing, I could understand their stance without clarification. However, no one selling in the same category has said that to me.

My intent is not to cause strife. I'd like to understand the position of those I'm irritating. And I've asked if it would be possible to extend tolerance for 5 more days (which seems to have been overlooked).

[Former_Member]

knitbough, sorry you are finding so many shops doing this. I understand it's to make a point, but there are better ways to do it, in my opinion. I don't do this because the last thing I want is for buyers to be upset or confused when they want to make a purchase!

Hey, your shop of felted items is wonderful. I'll bet your bowls are lovely, too!

[Former_Member]

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"Sounds like you are saying this law is the first of many that will end up with people being lynched?

Huh??"

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OK, analogy obviously not understood so allow me to clarify, briefly. First, yes, this ISN'T going to be the only law, how do I know this, it would take a long while to explain and show evidence of this and even then many wouldn't believe still, but it won't be the first law that is going to be passed that is going to have a dire effect on private/or small businesses,

this is just the beginning. Also, are you aware of the Orphaned Works Bill? If not, look it up, its related believe it or not to what is going on in How it is changing private and small business in our society. I will give you that as example, because its current.

As for the analogy of lynching, labor camps, ok., look at what is going on in the global perspective and HOW our economy is tied to that, look at the recent decision for Sharia banking in Michigan [and if you do not know how That works and what is tied into that you really should not ignore it because it is going to change a lot too, not just banking, but How you can operate your business, don't believe so, look at the suits and changes all over Europe and in the UK]. That's one aspect and also look at how that is going to effect our trade balance AND our foreign debt, and Who is going to be paying for that. Maybe not you and this generation but the next to come,

and then, look at the changes of worker's rights in Europe and in Australia, Canada, South America, and also, regulations being passed more and more on business.

America has been fortunate to avoid many of the pitfalls that has been going on all over Europe, the world, Asia, thus far, but we are now in debt to China, we owe money to Mexico, Middle East, etc.,

look at the free trade agreement with Oman and if you aren't aware of what the expats are saying there and the worker's rights violations there, I don't know what to tell you.

I realize this is about small businesses but you are still a part of commerce and Commerce in this country is going to change, HOW much it changes and the impact it has,

has a lot to do with what we do, as consumers, as workers, as business owners and as citizens. Leave it all to the government, well,

look at what is going on, and connect the dots. It may I realize seem absurd and just way out there to hint at labor camps, etc.,

well there is enough sweatshops here in This country, workers being trafficked INTO this country [in fact look at the recent Supreme Court decision on this issue], we are not an island,

we are part of an international economy with some powerful nation-players who All have their hands in the pot, so its not just Congress working for us, just for us.

To close, Just the fact that so many Americans are trusting the government to 'fix' things, speaks volumes,

and the writing is on the wall. If that isn't a wake up call, I honestly don't know what is. This law, should be waking everyone out of their sleep. But I'll tell you this, crazy and reactionary as I may sound [and actually I'm not reactionary, I've been studying these issues and working on them for years], lets talk in about two years,

see what has transpired then. It may make a bit more sense in what I'm saying,

but I do hope, as I've said before, I hope, I am so wrong, I really do, I've even Tried to talk myself into thinking, "oh, it won't get that bad, really",

but all I have to do is look out my window and see the people moving with families to where they don't know, and I know better.

janedoethreads

[dalesdreams]

pearlbythesea says:
I don't think anyone is trying to say "my issue is bigger than your issue"

what people are trying to say is,"from a browser and buyer's perspective, these high priced listings might actually harm your business."


an outsider's perspective can be helpful sometimes. But its like browsing ebay and seeing an item for 99 cents with 80 dollars in shipping charges, you don't stick around to see why the charges are so high, you just click to the item that has the kind of shipping prices you were expecting.
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exactly!

[dalesdreams]

FerragamoStudio says:
Very nice, artistscs28.
I've tried to be civil and professional, but you seem intent on pushing my buttons.

I take issue with your characterization of those who don't applaud EVERY SINGLE THING YOU DO as those who are not supportive of changing the law.

Yes this is an important issue. I support amending it wholeheartedly. However, have you stopped to think how you are coming across to people? The people you want to get on your side? You are not winning any converts. Apparently, I am not allowed to care about my business as much as the 'Cause', according to you. Must I drop everything to prove how commited I am?

Sorry, but I will never stop believing that maintaining a professional and courteous attitude when discussing hot button topics is the only way to encourage discussion and agreement. Rudeness and insulting me will not make me think you are more right.
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excellent point

[dalesdreams]

well, alrighty then!