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Lapidary machine

Well i just had my first 100+ piece festival and i am now looking at lap equipment. I will be working with the local amazonite 99% of the time and the other stones i work atm will be near the same hardness. I'm looking at a all in one unit from Rio Grande, looks to be a nice sturdy machine and the price is 1300 so not bad compared to the larger 6 wheel units. It has 2 grinding 1 sanding 1 buffer plus the saw. Not to meantion its made in the states. Just wanted to get some input from you folks on it.

Thanks Niko
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I Own about any machine you can think of..I even have two Genies in my shop right now..I am a machine and tool junkie..I spend most of my jewelry made money back on equipment and tools and stone....That is a very large budget....I know most have just one unit and that is all... That in mind and coming from one of the largest cabochon cutting operations in the USA I will give a very good recomendation....
The units that have all the wheel are cute and look great in a studio..but are knukle grinders in reality.....I own two Genies and Titan so well know them... and have used them.....And Arbor is the best you can work with..if you want more wheel get two arbors..that is my set up..not just for production but for ease of actual use....The Correct Arbor !!!! The arbor needs a poly arbor in it...or built from a poly.....I have a very strong agressive diamond wheel for a first wheel and then a smoother diamnd wheel as my secound wheel..60-80 grit would be my advice to you for a first wheel the 2nd a 120 - 220 grit...Now the next arbor has what is called expandable drums and you can change the belts..The need to change belts is the workdown to get rid of scratches from the previous wheel or belt...the beauty or adaptability of a expando drum is just that...adaptability...yes you have one stone in mind right now..but the future..???? each stone has its own sequence of grits to get out the scratches....thus the need to adapt....A set set up is just that.....NO adabtability a sit is set up....also grinds knuckles..Now yo ucan start with one arbor set up and put one or two diamond wheels on one side and the expando drum on the other....That give work space and the ability to change belts....Belts can be even diamond..also are usually 1.5 inches wide to 2 inches wide...I much more working area than the narrow Nova wheels on the many wheel setups...they are only an inch wide......More to come on this !!
Besides the arbors especially if found on ebay will save you money to buy a saw with....You also need a saw...
James
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Oh I'd LOVE to have a second genie..
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Hi Niko,
Like Jim says, different gems need different care. Even different pieces of the same mineral or gem from different or even the same mines can vary.
You need a system that is flexible to your needs,affordable and easily adapted.
For boulder opal I was using a 120 grit sintered 8" wheel for course grinding, It was great on opal but a little slow on agate and others. Finally I wore it out and replaced it with a 100 grit, big mistake!! It's amazing how much more chipping this wheel caures.
Ask around at clubs and ask those who know and not rely the sales staff alone.
I also use the expanding drums but I like the 6" x 3" they are obviously wider,
they allow me not only to change grits fast they are wide enough for me to be able to cut large specimens and the smaller diameter allows me to get into some curves. They are exellent for finishing volumes of cheaper material fast.
A cheap combo unit is a good start as long as the wheels are far enough apart. ( I recomend at least 1 inch apart if you absolutely can't avoid it).
Nova wheels are great but need to be run in correctly, be careful with sharp or straight edges on you gems, they can strip weeks of use from your wheel in seconds.
I still like useing novas, but they are $240 each for 6" in Australia and thats just too expensive. I reserve these for my best gems only.

A good basic combo unit will have a 6" saw (removable) on one side, a 120 to 220 grit grinding wheel and a flat sanding disc on the end , when you can afford a seperate saw you can replace that one with more wheels.
If you go with this type of unit you must keep it clean.
Buy an extra few discs for the end and have a dedicated polishing disc (I find hard felt is best for polishing most hard gems and leather for softer).
If you can find a basic cheap mahine that takes two grinding wheels, you might like to use a180 or 220 silicom carbide or diamond wheel (slower) and fit a 280 grit nova. That will allow you to remove scratches faster and lasts way longer than paper.
Once you have become used to cutting you can add to your equipment as you make some money from sales.
If grinding knuckles is an unavoidable problem or risk I find a pair of cheap medical latex glover (around $9 per 100 pair) are good but keep them tight over your finger tip or they could become a hazard, they take a bit of getting used to but they will save you some grief . I use them when using a 6" paper sanding disk as well, if I slip I don't cut a finger and the gloves will tolerate a few swipes. If the glove tares just replace it.
I hope this helps
Regards to all from Ken
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Appreciate all the great information and the tips :) (i'll be buying some laytex gloves). I went ahead with the all-in-one from Rio. Seems like a solid machine at 110lbs. Here are the contents

A circular saw, two individual diamond wheels, one expandable drum and one end polishing disc make up this compact combination workshop. Workshop includes:
• 3 diamond abrasive compounds (3000-, 8000- and 14000-mesh)
• 3 diamond belts, 1-1/2" (1200-, 3000- and 8000-grit)
• 3 MicroTex abrasive pads
• 1 diamond saw blade
• 1 tube feathering disc adhesive
• 2 diamond wheels, 5-7/8" x 1-1/4" (80- and 220-grit)
• 1 dressing stone; submersible water pump and bucket
• safety glasses
The single-unit base with cast aluminum tank has sealed bearings. Its 1/3hp motor drives a 5/8" stainless steel shaft. The saw has removeable table and built-in drain for easy clean-up and independently operated three-way fingertip coolant-water valves. Can be mounted with any 6" type abrasive wheels/drums.
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Sounds like just the thing to get you started, you should get a heap of good tips from this team.
I'm not familiar with all the US equipment but it sounds like a good deal.
Happy cutting.
From Ken
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You actually helped with my purchase, i knew the saw was removable but had no idea i could expand the wheels after i removed the saw. So later when i get a larger saw for my big pieces i can expand the unit at the same time. Thanks again

Niko
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No worries!
Happy cutting!
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Keep us posted as to what this machine has done for your work...
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