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Hi there,

Last week someone convo'd me to ask if I had any "owl" luminaries. I had not, of course. I mean, none were listed so one could assume that I didn't have any but I had the materials so I went ahead and made one up with owls on it. Not a bad idea anyway. It took me a full day's work to design, make, photograph and list. The person said "Thanks, I gave it a heart!" and that was the end of that.

Would others with more experience have chosen to charge a nominal fee for making up a new design for someone to consider? Or is this just part of the deal?

Thanks for your opinions.
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If it's something you wouldn't have made otherwise, you should have done it as a custom order and charged her at least a deposit upfront. However, since you can list it and sell it, it at least gave you another item in your shop and owls are apparently in right now, so it will probably sell. Of course, she might have hearted it because she wants to buy it later. You never know.
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I have never made an item I could not sell in my shop without being paid upfront. It sounds like you should be able to sell the owl piece, so that's good. In the future, you should consider what you would do with the item if it's not sold and then decide if you'd make a "sample" without payment first.
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I think for custom work, I would have asked her specifically if she wanted you to create an owl design, and asked what she had in mind for it (perhaps she wanted one to match another decoration). I would have offered to create a new sample based on her interest, and worked on the design (sending her a sample for approval and editing it) -for a fee. I'd have the custom design fee include your time, and cost for one Luminary +shipping fees. Maybe $15?
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This is the problem with sellers and buyers alike. I receive a message every now and then asking if I can make certain things - they never say they intend to buy, it may not be what they want, but I go ahead and make the piece, just to see if I can. I won't reply with "yes" if it turns out that I can't, and I won't reply with "no" if it turns out I can, and I'm good at it.
I always make a piece for the enquirer to see - but she never once said she was interested in buying one.

I frequently fell for this, and other sellers do too. You have to take messages like this for face value. They're just asking if you have something, or if you can make something. It's just not right to charge someone just so you can try it out if you already have the materials, because if they don't like it or you can't do it the way they would like it (afterall, they're the ones paying for it) then they'll want their money back.

In the future, don't be so quick to assume a sale. If someone asks a question, answer them, and think nothing more on it. I was asked recently if I could make tiny owls for my jars, and I tried it out before answering. I could, so I told her, showed her a picture, and left it at that, since she never said she was looking to purchase. I've created a custom listing for her, as she is interested, but no money has exchanged hands yet. And if none does, then I'll list the owl as a piece for anyone to purchase, just like everything else.
The only time I think you should charge someone is if you don't have the materials and don't actually know if you can make it, or if the item they want to see isn't something that you could sell to anyone else - like a name, date or face or something.

These are just my opinions, anyway. It's your shop at the end of the day and you should conduct business as you see fit. But everyone needs to remember that questions are questions, no more or less, and if you choose to go ahead and make something then it's your decision.
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Did she ask you to create a custom listing for her? If not, then you cannot expect anyone to put money down for simply asking a question.
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Hi there,

Sorry, had to leave before I got any responses.

I'm not blaming the customer here. I chose to make her a sample to see if she wanted to buy it. My only question is if I should have charged for it initially as a private listing for a sample. I didn't think so to begin with but after a whole day's work I began to wonder. I didn't have any reason to think the item would sell to anyone else, my luminaries get tons of hearts but no sales. (any ideas there?) I just wondered what other people do when they get questions like "Gee, do you have any.....?" Do you say "No , but I can make you one for a small fee," or do what I did and spend a day on a product that didn't, in the end, sell.

Anyway, thank you for all the helpful opinions. Sounds like everyone has a unique perspective, but that the majority feel it's okay to charge, and some feel it's okay to charge extra. I think in the future I too will charge, after explaining to the customer what it requires from my point of view.

Thanks again,
Polly
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To give an example of how I handled this recently. I had two custom requests. The first was for whale shaped soaps. I currently don't make whale shapes and don't have the molds to do so. I found some molds online that I could purchase to make a whale, and told the buyer that I would purchase the mold and make whale shapes if she were to order. I would not buy the mold without a prepaid order (all my custom orders are prepaid). She ended up buying turtles instead.

For a second one, a friend asked if I made oatmeal soap. At the time I didn't and hadn't worked with oatmeal before. However, it was something I had received more than one question about so I took the initiative to buy the materials and make the oatmeal soap. I then told my friend that I could make it and what the price would be. I had a fairly good idea that I would be able to seel oatmeal soap even if she didn't buy it so to me it was an investment in my shop. She did end up buying a few bars, but had she not I could have listed it in the shop and sold it to someone else. I also am now starting to carry oatmeal soap as a regular item.

I meant to post that yesterday but the thread got lost and I got busy with other things. Just wanted to give you an example of when I personally would say it's worth an investment without a set order before you.

Good luck!
Amie
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I get asked this question all the time. If I think I will be able to sell the new design and am interested in painting what is requested, I'll go ahead and make the item (hand-painted ornament) and then list. If it is something of very limited interest, I indicate that I'll be happy to create a special order - once the customer makes the purchase, I'll get started. Since my items are relatively low cost to begin with (under $17), I always ask for the total price of the item; I've never asked for a downpayment.
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I would have told them I could make them a custom order but like others have said, I would have asked for a deposit. That's not fair you spent an entire day on one customer, who didn't even buy it.
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Live and learn, huh? Thanks, ladies.
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