6 pm jun 7 CNN is going all Howard Cossell, not kidding

[PrincessCanopyShop]

A couple of minutes ago the top of the hour cnn news started and quit literally did the "In this corner" with the guy voice really gravelly doing the "who will knock this one out," yada yada. I swear it reminiscent of the "thrilla in manilla" Geez, Where is Debbie Wasserman with the crown and sceptre and the flowers and banner to give to Hillary, I'm sure she is somewhere very close to Hillary . If Hillary is wearing another one of those awful pants suits with giant pockets in the jacket , check the pockets I swear Wasserman is in one of them..

[ChatsworthLady]

LOL, they've been doing that kind of intro (and a few coverage-ads as well, though those were shorter) all through the primaries, and yes I agree it's a bit silly. :-)

I have to admit I don't find Hillary's pantsuit wardrobe attractive at all, but then again I can relate to the choice because during the past year I've developed more of a tummy than I ever thought I would, after my preggo days were over -- and I suspect she has one as well, LOL

Unfortunately right now the only thing my gut will tolerate are carbs, and my figure (or what used to be one anyway) reflects that. Amazing how all the fat ends up in the same damn place once you pass the half century mark. The no-boobs look doesn't combine well with a 6-months-along tummy, trust me. :/

But I have serious doubts about whether a pudgified figure looks any better as a single Crayola colored blob than otherwise. It sure wouldn't work for me, LOL

[PrincessCanopyShop]

This one was truly horrendous and I swear Wasserman would fit in those pockets. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280137193

[ChatsworthLady]

The entire DNC would fit in those. :-O

Dear heavens, why would anyone deliberately want to make themselves look like a traffic cone that was going to a funeral?

A podium was never put to better use than hers was that night. I must have been in the kitchen getting snacks during the debate opener that night, LOL

(just because I'm voting for Hillary doesn't mean I have to like her wardrobe choices, LOL. Then again I haven't been that impressed by Michelle Obama's either. I am exercising my woman's right to be catty here. :-) )

[PrincessCanopyShop]

Chats are you watching this guy on CNN who is trying to spin that Trump is pointing out racism and his comments were not racist about the judge, So the guy , the one with white hair just keeps on spinning even when everyone else is saying that is bullshit .. it is on live right now.

[PrincessCanopyShop]

Remember when we discussed what kind of show Trump would have at the GOP convention if they denied him well I don't think it will be much different except maybe he will ride in on a chariot drawn by 12 naked women and he in a roman emperors costume throwing what looks like coins but it is actually those chocolate gold wrapped coins in between sufficiently lashing the women to go faster..

[PrincessCanopyShop]

Queen should sue Trump's ass for using that We are the Champions"song. Many artist have told him NOT to use their music his response is "I'm Rich so sue me"

[PrincessCanopyShop]

I really hope that Hillary can be "selfless" enough to admit that she needs Bernie as VP to win . He has said that he would be honored but she has not made any olive branches toward that. If she decides to ignore the Bernie voters she will be doing so at her own peril.

[CalicoSkiesMosaics]

Hillary, selfless?

A reality check is needed here.

[PrincessCanopyShop]

Fred I am afraid you may be right about that. As a Bernie supporter I want to insure that some of his positions are include. Especially stopping the 1 percent receiving ridiculous amounts of profit will saying they can't afford to offer full time jobs with benefits. At 62, I remember being in my 20's having a job with Rothchilds dept sore, even though it was minimum wage I also got a sales commission as well as health care a retirement plan and lots of other incentives. That is the single most important thing to me is to return to the worker a living wage.

[LocoBead]

Fred, I think that was a typo...should have been "selfish." LOL! Dee wants Hill to win, and if Bernie runs against her, that definitely will not happen.

[ChatsworthLady]

Dee, the whitehaired guy is Jeffrey Lord (the subject of my "makes my head explode" post from the other day.) He's been saying that ever since the evening of whatever day Trump talked about Judge Curiel with Jake Tapper.

It will be interesting to see what Bernie does a week from today. I can understand his desire to give the final group of primary voters (in DC) an opportunity to cast their vote even though it won't change the ultimate outcome. I listened to his speech last night and my takeaway (and maybe I'm parsing his words too much?) was that "taking the fight to the convention" didn't mean "fight for the nomination" anymore but instead "fight for the platform to include the changes we all believe in." But without spelling that difference out precisely in words.

I've wondered from the start whether Hillary will choose him as VP. If she does, it would probably be with the tacit agreement that unlike most VPs there would be no illusions about him running for POTUS again, based on his age. My gut feeling is that Hillary would be a 2-term POTUS which would make Bernie 82 in 2022. Just not a viable option.

I have wondered what would happen if it was a Clinton/Sanders ticket that won, and if Bernie decided (for whatever reason) to step down as VP at the end of their first term (2020) and then Hillary would choose a new running mate for that election. Replacement of a VP has only happened twice in our history, neither time in conjunction with an election. In that case the Democratic ticket would be different: Clinton/Sanders in 2016 and Clinton/Whoever for re-election in 2020.

It's an interesting theoretical exercise.

[Former_Member]

Ah, I was confusing him with Roger Stone...another freak...

[PrincessCanopyShop]

Clinton/Sanders 2016 and Clinton/Warren 2020 because by then the US population would be okay with a 2 woman ticket. WE cannot have Warren give up her seat this year because the Gov is a repub and would appoint a repub for her senate seat. Bernie's replacement is secure. The thing is everyone including Hillary has to look at the big picture and be absolutely sure that we have all of the candidates in the right places to insure that we take the WH and regain the senate. That we insure a liberal scotus for the next decade. Over turning citizens united, ensuring that states cannot pass laws banning abortion and cannot pass laws that discriminate indirectly or directly towards people who are gay transgender Hispanic Muslim etc. The GOP knows full well that is the game plan and that is why they are panicking because they see their party slipping into oblivion with Trump at the helm of the Titanic heading straight for a fully monsterously visable iceberg screaming " I am the king of the world !! " LOL

[theferriswheels]

"cannot pass laws that discriminate indirectly or directly towards people who are gay transgender Hispanic Muslim etc"

Just curious, what happens when a gay couple wants to employ a bakery for their wedding that is owned by practicing Muslims? Who wins?

[ChatsworthLady]

ferris, I would guess that would depend entirely on the bakery owners themselves and what they decide. From what I've read, there are varying interpretations of the sinfulness of homosexuality depending on how binding someone considers Shariah law:
http://variety.com/2015/voices/opinion/islam-gay-marriage-beliefs-muslim-religion-1201531047/

I would guess that, just as there are practicing Catholics who believe abortion is murder and would never have one themselves but are perfectly willing to sell their products to people who are pro-choice, it boils down to what's acceptable for each individual under each circumstance.

I don't see the question as a win/lose one. If I were a bakery owner who felt strongly enough about gay marriage to not want a gay couple as my customer, I'd make some excuse as to why I could not supply a cake on that day. I wouldn't frame it in the context of it being because it's a certain type of wedding. And if I were part of the gay couple, even if the bakery owner were tactless enough to say why they were refusing, I'd simply look for another bakery rather than make a Federal case (literally) out of it.

Privately owned businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone (if they're stupid enough to say that it's on the basis of someone being in a legally protected class, that's their own fault), and customers have the right to take their business elsewhere. I really don't see the logic in wanting or trying to foist one's personal religious dogma onto anyone else.

[theferriswheels]

I pretty much agree with you Chats, but there are many who don't, at least as it pertains to Christians. They DO want to make a federal case about it.

I also don't think it is a 'I don't want you as my customer'. It's not like anyone (to my knowledge) asks someone's sexual preference before selling them a cupcake (for example).

But I do understand a Christian or a Muslim not wanting to compromise their own beliefs by being forced to participate/contribute to something that is against their personal religion. Individual rights really should go either way.

I just think it's an interesting debate when two groups who are historically on opposite 'sides' (for lack of a better word) are lumped into the same discrimination conversation.

We differ in that I certainly don't see if either group (Christian or Muslim) following their own faith for themselves is in any way "foisting one's personal religious dogma onto anyone else"

[ChatsworthLady]

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that either the bakery owner or the gay couple would be "foisting" their belief on the other... I meant the idea of any government making laws saying that one person's set of religious beliefs is allowed to override another's legally, because that implies that the "overriding" belief is somehow superior.

In the case of the bakery, if a gay couple comes in to the shop together and makes it clear that it's for their own wedding, that's different than if just one of the couple does so (or someone coming in to buy a cupcake). I'm honestly not sure how most engaged couples overall do things nowadays; back in the Dark Ages when my contemporaries were getting married, it was usually the bride (either with or without her female cohorts) who did most of the legwork but then again, my son and his fiancee did all the planning together so who knows. I'm out of the loop, LOL

[PrincessCanopyShop]

In the case of booking someone for an event like a wedding I feel that is a contract and both parties have the right to not take the contract. In the event of a public sale the business should not be able to refuse to serve at that moment a black muslim martian gay guy a cupcake. If I was at a greek sandwich shop and the people at the counter said " you are not Greek, I cannot sell you a Gyro" I would consider that wrong because the shop had not posted we only serve Greeks at the door before I came in and it was open to the public and I was a part of the public. I don't think this should be an issue because there are very few situations where the buyer could not find another caterer unless the caterer was the only caterer for 200 miles and even then they do not have to sign a contract with you. You will just have to bake your own cake..